Garrosh should have been executed. It would’ve saved us from WoD. ![:expressionless:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/expressionless.png?v=6" ":expressionless:")
The Draenei are what attracted the Legion in the first place. It was a personal conflict within that race and the orcs were used as pawns to get back at Velen. The Draenei came to Draenor, took land and resources like “oh this is ours now : ) hope we can be friends!”, KNEW they had the Legion hot on them, didn’t really care, then SURPRISE the Legion comes looking for them, literally poisons and manipulates the orcs, who were 100% minding their own damn business into becoming crazed, cursed maniacs.
This is a story of privileged colonization, of an uninvolved tribal society getting dragged into a conflict they wanted absolutely no part in and then getting blamed for the aftermath as if they’re the ones that initiated it. Then they’re stuck on Azeroth, literally enslaved, in agony from still being cursed by the blood of Mannoroth, and they get beaten and killed for trying to just…peacefully walk away.
I mean I hate to say it, but it really is victim blaming. They were unwillingly mind controlled into performing horrible deeds for an extremely advanced group and now they get blamed for all their suffering because they’re an easy target. It’s gross.
There’s even a whole dialogue you have with Saurfang where he talks about his literal PTSD from basically being chemically forced to slaughter children back on Draenor. Everyone knows Saurfang is honorable. Everyone knows he wouldn’t do that if he wasn’t being mind controlled in some way. And now he has to suffer with that until he dies.
If Saurfang commiting genocide then having PTSD and horrible guilt after the fact isn’t proof enough that the orcs were not themselves and had no choice, then I don’t know what is.
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umm, you aren’t. you can decide to side with sylvanas instead
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Saurfang would be the first one to admit he did that of his own free will and tell you you have to take responsibility for your actions, whether someone manipulated you into it or not.
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Manipulated, yes. Forced? No. Gul’dan and Ner’zhul persuaded them to do it and even then there were those who refused. Durotan didn’t drink and neither did the Frostwolf clan.
Saurfang drank it and now suffers from buyer’s remorse. Drug addicts who get clean later often lament their actions while they were high.
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Also worth noting that they didnt drink the blood and become blood crazed lunatics until the genocide was almost complete. It was right before the battle for Shattrath, which was the last stand of the draenei.
Except we know from the events of AU Draenor that the Orcs don’t need an outside influence or some form of demonic mind control to go on the rampage and slaughter innocents. Garrosh alone got them riled up enough to invade Azeroth and start that whole process.
And even Thrall doesn’t think that the Orcs are totally absolved by the fact that demons corrupted them the first time because they chose that corruption (from Rise of the Horde):
" To pretend it [the demonic corruption] did not exist is to forget how dreadful the impact was. To make ourselves into victims, rather than claiming our participation in our own destruction. We chose this path, we orcs. We chose it right up until it was too late to turn back. And having made that choice, we can, with the knowledge that we have of the end of that dark and shameful road, choose not to take it."
That essentially is why Saurfang is so conflicted and doesn’t want to go down this road yet again. Because he chose it the first time and he saw the consequences.
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munches on popcorn
Keep going folks…I’m enjoying watching you all make fools of yourselves…
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Draenei crash landing on draenor and being unable to leave, then living peacefully among the races already on the planet? Evil privileged colonizers!
Orcs invading another planet, slaughtering thousands, destroying kindgoms, then being imprisoned after getting stuck on the planet? Poor innocent manipulated babies!
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LOL you think that Anduin will be the hardliner compared to his father? That’s hilarious.
Call it, more tongue-in-cheek. If you’re talking about the first sentence.
Hmmm… I seem to recall… Yup everyone was surrounded… Yet, all the other major characters made it out.
A very experienced warrior like Saurfang couldn’t avoid being surrounded and captured, but every other major hode character could? Odd.
I seem to recall Saurfang basically doing it to himself. Still unsure what he did that could even be considered remotely “heroic”. That’s the the whole thing I’ve been trying to understand from you since you called him a hero
He did not DO anything except give up.
Goes back to this same question.
Me: Why is he a hero if he just gave up?
You: well what would you do?
Me: ok, here’s what I think I’d do. But what about him? Why’s a hero?
You: Well he was surrounded. So he did not give up.
Me: so was everyone. he gave up while everyone else got out. So how is he a hero?
You: well what would you do?
Try answering one question directly. Might make you sound a tad more intelligent.
because he was the only one that stayed behind to get his honorable death
I did the quest. There was a ton of people on chat screaming that surfing is a wuss. They did not like the fact he asked to go. Instead let us attack first. Then he decided to help. Yeah that whole thing made him the bad guy. Can not justify when they asked three times to come peacefully. he allows the hero to attack first. Shows true colors.
No, his horde was weaker for it.
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We should’ve killed him sooner