I am only pointing out that I never see Horde bringing it up. It is always mentioned first by Alliance as an example of Horde bringing it up, which may have been true in the past but doesn’t seem very true anymore. For years.
No, I’m recognizing there is 0 point to trying to ‘argue’ with certain people on the WrM forums that do not acknowledge arguments unless it directly gels with their own.
As such, no, why would I bother talking to a brick wall?
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Like I said, it’s a meme for a reason.
Ok, I am not them, I am not even replying to then…
I am asking you who should say sorry first. I am not saying Alliance have done no wrong, but the things you list just are not. I can argue your point a lot better and actually name things the Alliance had done that are evil, but that’s not point.
Just did a half assed search and i’m not saying that this shouldnt taken as the gospel but just searching Taurajo throughout the forums hits 50+ mentions of it w/ most of them being serious against the alliance and all of the wra ones are just meme-y ones in repsonse to that stuff
so to the general populace who really dont follow the story or are just horde only “Kill all Alliance players” take it seriously while the WrA forum posters who mostly have a good grasp of the lore see the criticism of Taurajo very entry level
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Then don’t reply to me.
You replied to me and I replied back.
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That might be fair. I don’t read other forums than this one. All I was saying was what I have seen here.
It’s probably not accurate to base any judgments off the WrA forums. We’re an unusual lot.
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Just doing a very casual look at the old forums as well it seems the “but Taurajo!” meme originated in the weekly “Is genocide really bad?” we used to have here
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For ho specifically should apologize first?
Humans, they should apologize for the actions of Garithos and the Internment Camps. Regardless of if it was Lorderean or not, most humans who survived it’s fall went to Stormwind. The acts the humans committed were horrid and unless they can realize that, they really do not deserve an apology from the two groups they wounded.
Outside of them, if the Forsaken survive this expac, there should be a German style series of apologies from those ho remain and them taking actual, serious measures to atone for the actions of Sylvanas and her loyalists. If the current story ideas in the pipe are anything to go by, this -should- occurr since Sylvanas more or less just poofs and isn’t even purged violently from the horde like Garrosh was.
Outside of that, if the humans do apologize, then just wait for the orcs to do so (if you have any alive who feel like they should. I half expect if he returns to the horde, Saurfang might actually do so).
Absent of them, however; Belves, Tauren, Darkspear, Houjin and the Goblins not Gallywix or Blackfuse (and mentioning Blackfuse is stretching it since overwhelming majority of them are dead) have nothing to apologize for.
I don’t bother with the general populace. My observations are specifically for this realm because it is the only one relevant to my experiences.
Anyway it wasn’t a challenge to anyone. I said what I noticed regarding WrA and that was all.
I agree that WrA is definitely something.
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But you are horde so I have to prove you wrong obs :^)
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I’m not against them apologizing for the internment camps despite most of them not really being alive from when it happened. Why do you think they were in those camps in the first place? Don’t you think genocide, joining the Legion and conquering a planet is a tad worse then enslaving the ones who did all that?
No idea where the ‘slave labour’ bit is from but would happily like to read where it’s from.
Isn’t this something complained about? Painting an entire faction a certain way because of one character? Not to mention that Garithos really wasn’t a huge Alliance representative. He was the commander of the ruins of what’s left of the Lordaeron nation. And blood elves weren’t even Horde at the time. Or blood elves. Does this seem like I’m moving the goalposts? I might be moving the goalposts.
See if this is in regards to Mists of Pandaria, that was just because of the Horde’s fleet - oh I dunno - attacked an Alliance vessel on a diplomatic mission.
I guess the grey area that hits in Legion is that she went with Genn’s alteration of the mission but the funny part is that it turned out for the better because of aforementioned Helya and Sylvanas shenanigans.
Having done this recently on my Zandalari, “pretty much enslaved” is about as ambiguous as the questline that shows this off. The Alliance commander there was also possessed by Sha at that point too (not that it excuses any soldiers possibly enforcing the ruling). But also the pandaren just… mildly complain about not having as many beer breaks as they’d like and then casually walk away.
I’m not excusing the quest or any implications but it’s something to be taken with an itty bitty little teensy grain of salt.
i like the part where he stopped sylvanas from enslaving a deity after bargaining with another, evil deity
did you know you can make characters from both factions on the same server
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It’s a testament to how uncomfortable Blizzard’s attempts at writing VERY SERIOUS WAR can be that this is objectively the correct lesson to be learned from that, based on everything that orcs have gotten up to since, even with Thrall putting a smiley face on it.
The same way that making Yrel into a villain retroactively serves to justify what the orcs did to them, both in the WoD timeline and the “main” one. Warcraft has a pretty consistent theme of trying to sell mercy as a benevolent choice, but actively undermines it at pretty much any opportunity it can find.
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Well in that case-
Doing a “latest post” search for Taurajo for strictly WrA shows (not including this thread) 15 posts. 3 are Horde, and one is me saying the same thing. Granted, this is just from October when they switched over. But like I said, it was just something I noticed.
Anyway it really doesn’t matter. And I might be searching wrong. I am old.
I really wasn’t trying to get into an argument. It was just something I observed and I don’t read everything so I might be wrong.
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None of the current Human Alliance Leadership had anything to do with the Orcish internment.
Why would Anduin or Genn apologize for something they had nothing to do with?
Garothos was one racist %!@&bag, feel free to dig up his corpse and demand an apology from it.
Then you guys can do the same for Garrosh and Sylvanas when she is inevitably dead.
Thanks for proving that no apologies are warranted ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
The search system is garbage i’ve quickly learned and dont worry friend I was just looking for the sake of it.
If you want to get technical Genn was for wiping out the Orcs and not interning them so if a orc came up to him and demanded an apology he just give them the look and say “Sorry you got interned I was hoping we’d kill you instead”
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Good bc I can’t take gnomore.