I’ve really been enjoying tanking on my rogue, even though it seems like one of the least popular choices in SoD for various reasons. There are a lot of melee dps expressing concerns about being able to find a group, and I’m sure there are a lot of different factors contributing to that like melee hunters and being a popular class.
We need something like battle shout, or even a debuff of some form to add a little group utility. I believe we are the only class left to not bring some form of benefit to the raid.
This leads to the natural expectation that rogues should be doing more dps than every other class to compensate/justify their raid spot. This isn’t the reality this phase (and I think it’s a rather bad design to begin with).
It sounds just like the rather pathetic argument I see hunters always making that they’re the “only pure dps class” to justify why they should always be the strongest dps.
But with rogues bring no other direct benefit to bring to the raid, that seems like what Blizz is/has been reinforcing.
I agree it’s toxic. It’s just like with the hunters’ silly excuse that they’re the “only pure dps” class to justify why they should be #1 dps. Not asking rogues to be OP; if we get buffs it’s going to make us too oppressive for PvP.
But every class in this meta needs to justify its raid spot. If no raid buffs to bring, dps is the only thing rogues have to offer. And they’re middle of the pack on logs.
We do bring group utility… Lockpick? Sap? Distract? Debuffs (poison/armor shred/hemo)?
Sure, its not a raid wide increase in power but the class fantasy is based around sneakiness and subtlety not outright power… I think this is a bad take
Yes, it does. That’s just how this playerbase plays the game generally. Maybe you don’t. Maybe that’s not how this game was originally mean to be played. But the players themselves have changed, and you’re not going to change their tendency to choose the easiest/best/meta options.
Are you really arguing that today’s playerbase doesn’t try to play this game in the most optimal manner? You are completely delusional if you think people don’t. That’s why we have all these silly bis lists to begin with that everyone looks to as gospel. Players want to optimize and maximize their class’s power level.
Feel free to continue denying reality then. No point in other discussion if we can’t even agree that the sky is blue.
My whole point is, there is merit to OP’s argument because without a raid benefit to bring other than their dps, rogues have a harder time justifying their raid spots. This creates an unreasonable expectation that the rogues should then be “the best” dps class themselves to make up for this ‘shortcoming’.
I think it’s a poor design philosophy by SoD devs knowing player behavior/tendency to try to optimize their gameplay.
In party settings these things help, mostly just lp though unless your sap spec or pulling on sap.
In raid its pretty useless, so if a comp is having any issues prolly skip the rogues lockpick for another pally buff or warrior that can hot swap to tanking
Arguably kick is our best claim to fame, but basically everyone can kick almost as good or vetter if they are willing