Hey yall
Im just wondering, after all that revamps for Shamans and MM Hunters, maybe Blizzard is cooking something for us. I mean, all rogue hero talents received a lot of critics about the design and lack of animations.
Hope we get good animations soon :')
Only thing Blizzard is cooking up for rogues is bug soup.
Yeah, with how many bugs and bad designs rogue has right now all I wish for is that the devs work on them. I wouldnât mind a golden pistol on my outlaw if they are different teams of devs lol
I would love cool animations, imagine a cluster of bombs being dropped as I grapple away.
Cooking us, you mean.
Lol the 2 Blizzard devs working on live arent looking to help rogues
But seriously.
Druidâs get new forms all the time, okay they donât get to enjoy armor and weapon sets, but they also get that design budget as well for tier sets.
Hunters get new pet models every expansion.
Shamans just got a huge âWâ with ascendence forms.
Every other class just is flashy AF and got cool new animations with Hero talents.
I guess we should be happy with the feedback being listened to on anniversary armor set to a degree, but could some amount of art budget be allocated to Rogues?
Hunters get pet models every expansion because they have to create new mobs anyways. Itâs not like they are doing anything special just for hunters.
Shamans ascendance has, at least my knowledge, been pretty divisive in appeal. Some like it, some think it looks like trash. Only with the newly released confirmed options for glyphs to keep either preference can we really call it a clear win.
Theyâve kept the same old lava burst animation for how long? People need to take a break from the rogue forums and branch out more. Almost EVERY CLASS thinks they are blizzards least favorite on the forums.
Go say the same thing about rogues not getting enough art budget allocation in some other class forums and let me know what they say about how worse off they are with cool looking setsâŠ
Yes, they have to design new mob models every expansion, itâs an added benefit of being a hunter and more customization that is available to them.
Attention is attention, regarding the Shaman ascendence forms; not only that itâs double attention as you pointed out because theyâve provided options for the first draft of the updates.
Itâs not unreasonable to ask for more than a coin flip or yellow slash, in my opinion. The forums are obviously going to be an outlet for people who play a class to champion causes for their class, so not sure why youâre perfectly fine calling out the functional problems with Rogue while acting as a voice of dissent in other aspects of it.
Why would anyone have a problem calling out problems with Rogue? Problems are problems and they should be fixed.
What I have a problem with is people portraying the class as if weâre Blizzardâs favorite punching bag. I deal with peopleâs feelings and fallacies all day long. Itâs exhausting when the whining creeps into the game I play for fun. Forums used to be a place where people would get reality checked on their bad ideas and whiny perspective. Now adays I guess everyone is so jaded you canât even point out people are being melodramatic without being accused of being a white knight for blizzard.
Screw blizzard, but also screw these whiny rogues man.
If you think Rogueâs hero talents feel and look heroic, thatâs an opinion that many seem to disagree with. I donât think itâs any whinier than believing that Rogue isnât functionally fine, just ask Emberpaws. Iâm also not accusing you of being up Blizzards rear.
People canât come to post their complaints with a class that they want to play and enjoy without having someone tell them that theyâre being melodramatic whether itâs in regards to the mechanical aspect of the class or the design, as if thereâs some objective truth to any complaints related to a video game.
Alternatively, if you feel that whining is already at an excess in your life because of your time away from the game, maybe donât spend your time on the forums where youâre more likely to encounter someone who has an opinion that you seem to think is invalid.
Deathstalker as a theme is badass to me. Functionally it badly needs the core issue fixed where you can get thrown out of refreshing Darkest Night, but it works. In PvP where you arenât ever really locked into a long fight (except arena) we feel okay. Itâs much worse in PvE.
As to peopleâs complaints and objective truthâŠYou make it seem like there is no such thing as an objective truth. Just because itâs a video game doesnât mean people canât be objectively wrong. People can be mad, upset, frustrated, whatever. I get it. But that doesnât mean their complaints automatically become immune to pointing out their total lack of basis in evidence.
Youâre right itâs 100% on me to not come here if I donât want to be exposed to this. So thatâs probably what needs to happen. Toodles.
Yeah, so, when this entire thread is about the visuals for Rogue, it seems like thereâs more than just one person that thinks Rogues could use a little more attention. Deathstalker is definitively the most thematic of the Rogue Hero talents, but itâs still lackluster visually, in my opinion. Then theres a nondescript coin and a yellow slash. Arts is certainly subjective, but thereâs not going to be a demonstrable way to show that Rogues get any sort of parity when it comes to artistic budget either. This kind of just becomes a matter of opinion, which in this instance youâre just denigrating someone elseâs about a subjective topic.
Best of luck in your exposure to people, Iâll at least agree thatâs a trying experience at times.
I apologize, because clearly my general frustration has spilled over into topics and threads I didnât intend. Iâm too heated from other threads and issues and other stuff irl all bleeding together. So my bad.
But I meanâŠthey could show the budget. That would be an objective way to demonstrate parity. They wont. But they could. So suspecting something like them NOT giving parity is just conjecture until proven, no?
All good, I can be hyperbolic as well, so Iâm not doing anyone any favors when they are trying to engage in earnest in a discussion.
Demonstrably could they show similar levels of effort input? Sure we could go point by point, we can see that everyone gets a tier set, everyone got hero talents with new visuals, and I like the tier set (and most tier sets for rogue in general.) I just donât feel Rogue is currently at the average level of new visuals for TWW. Rogue is my absolute first choice of what to play in WoW, so Iâll admit to having a biased opinion. Seeing what theyâre doing with Dark Ranger makes me see what we couldâve gotten, and just with both the mechanical problems and meh visuals Iâll probably switch mains and see if things change for Rogue.
I think the issue with hero talents overall is just that the lore was never going to equally pan out for everyone. Rogues havenât felt like rogues in a LONG time in the sense that weâve already felt pretty divided into distinguishable hero-ish specs for a while.
Assassin, Outlaw, and Sub are basically the hero talents of âRogueâ. We donât necessarily have as big of a pool from other archetypes to draw from like Sanâlayn for Dk, Riders of Apoc, and others. My own opinion is these had just MORE to work with;
Sanâlayn.
Riders of Apoc.
Farseer.
Diabolist.
Mountain Thane.
Shadow-Pan.
Sunfury.
Dark Ranger.
Wildstalker.
Those, I either recognize from other warcraft stuff, or at least know about them. They feel connected to WoW. Stuff like Deathstalker, Sentinel, Slayer, Collosus, the other lock specs, and more feel âokay.â Fitting thematically, but also not particularly interesting or tied to any lore I know of (Sentinels some, but I donât really understand any thematic connection).
Then you just get stuff like Trickster and Fatebound and itâs likeâŠ? What the f is a Fatebound? Iâve never even heard of the concept in Warcraft. Trickster also just doesnât even sound threatening. Sounds like it would have more to do with pickpocketing or non combat applications than combat.
But weâve really got to separate out the two issues and be specific if we want improvements. Weâve got one issue of them being mechanically buggy, unfun, or bad. Then an entirely separate problem of them being just weirdly disconnected from lore, weird, bizarre, or just not really adding any actual positive visual flavor.
My own 2c on my dk alt is that while riders is cool, it sucks. And Sanâlayn is good, but isnât cool enough. 
I would love some new animations for the Hero Talents and some of the older abilities. Slice and Dice and Shiv alone could use updates for sure.
I mean, youâre correct in a way, but they also had the opportunity to flesh out some of the things that could have turned into these hero trees.
We have a ton of different lore places they could have pulled inspiration from for hero talents. SI: 7, Shattered hand, Deathstalker (which was used), Defias brotherhood, the Shado Panâs Wu KaoâŠ
They didnât need to take the names from these, but inspirations could have been pulled. Something SI: 7 related could have been more gadget and trap oriented, Defias could have pulled more swashbuckler inspirations into the overlap and actually given the tree flavor, we could have seen some real shinobi/ninja inspirations flourish with the Wu Kao.
But, using existing lore to create something unique is harder than âpoisonsâ, âgamblingâ and âa passive damage buffâ.
When âSo Trickyâ is the talent that decided the entirety of which hero tree I wanted to play, they absolutely failed on a design standpoint. Fatebound just feels bad to play with the variances and I enjoy the utility.
I just wish they leaned more into the utility with it and brought some actual traps/gadgets into Trickster to make it feel unique. As is, itâs just badly flavored damage buff #6.
Iâve been itching to playing some Assassination Rogue lately, the Hero Powers are just off-putting.
I really hope Rogue gets the same treatment Hunters are getting for 11.0.5, we were in the same boat together, abandoned classes pushed aside. But now Rogues are a 1-man show.
Remember cannon barrage? It was such a cool abilityâŠ.