Right Click Report - Not Going Away

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

Cost, my dear boy. Cost.

That is not what the pro-crowd has been shouting. It’s all about how gold-spammers and racists will go unchecked without it.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

That is not what the pro-crowd has been shouting.

I don’t really care what other people are complaining about. I put forward the concept months ago, and stand by it.

We are not getting Classic without RCR and Loot Trading, because otherwise they can’t afford the human cost of employing enough GMs for the Vanilla experience.

[Somalion-eitrigg (Somalion)]

Because we don’t get Classic if we force them to use the same number GMs they did before.

Cost, my dear boy. Cost.

well said.
People don’t realize that Blizzard has not once but twice reduced their Customer Service workforce, and what has allowed them to do so is things like RCR, the savings from that directly translate into Blizzard being able to sink money into a money pit like Classic servers.

[Melaneth-dalaran]

I shouldn’t have to do multiple things to remove gold sellers from the game.

Filing a GM ticket took all of twenty seconds. Not exactly a heavy burden there. That’s the kind of ‘give it to me now’ attitude Retail WoW supports.

Even so, it isn’t the convenience angle that people dislike. It is the automatic punishments, which can be abused. Remove the automatic punishments, and no one would object.

I fully intend to slam gold sellers and the like but

… but you don’t need automatic punishments to do that. GM tickets work just fine for that. And I know this is going to be a blow to you, but it isn’t just about you and what you may or may not do. The one truth of the internet age, above all but Rule 34, is that if there is an automatic system that can be abused or exploited, it will be abused and exploited.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Cost, my dear boy. Cost.

That is not what the pro-crowd has been shouting. It’s all about how gold-spammers and racists will go unchecked without it.

The reality is that gold spammers and trolls did run rampant before RCR.

If you have a better system to control them please share it.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

because otherwise they can’t afford the human cost of employing enough GMs for the Vanilla experience.

RCRs still have to he reviewed by a human, don’t they?

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

The reality is that gold spammers and trolls did run rampant before RCR.

Wasn’t my experience.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Why would I do that when I could just rcr and have it automatically logged?

The convenience of RCR does not require that it be tied to auto squelch for most options.

Tying the RCR to an auto squelch only for an “illegal services” option still addresses and squelches gold sellers.

Why insist upon tying the RCR to an auto squelch in all cases if not to protect your option to impose your own brand of vigilante justice and punishment?

RCR addresses other TOS violations which also ran rampant.

The RCR includes a temp ignores you never have to see them again, and since you cannot RCR without having seen them, the claim that the temp ignore doesn’t prevent you from seeing it in the first place is moot.

Or do you insist upon having the power to punish them and to determine that other players can only see what you want them to see?

[Somalion-eitrigg (Somalion)]

Even so, it isn’t the convenience angle that people dislike. It is the automatic punishments, which can be abused. Remove the automatic punishments, and no one would object.

“can be abused”
Yes but does that hypothetical scenario outweigh the good that RCR does ?
The ‘abuse’ that people cry about doesn’t happen in retail what makes you think it will happen in classic ? are you saying that the player base in Classic will be that much worse than retail ?

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

GM tickets work just fine for that.

No, they don’t. Because of cost. To require them to employ enough human capital, is to torpedo Classic before it even started.

Slow, ineffective GM response, vs a tried and tested system that’s effective and far cheaper.

RCRs still have to he reviewed by a human, don’t they?

Not to put the account out of commission for what the Gold Sellers want it for. Human response in slow time will get rid of the account, but in the meantime it’s still neutered.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Why would I do that when I could just rcr and have it automatically logged?

The convenience of RCR does not require that it be tied to auto squelch for most options.

Tying the RCR to an auto squelch only for an “illegal services” option still addresses and squelches gold sellers.

Why insist upon tying the RCR to an auto squelch in all cases if not to protect your option to impose your own brand of vigilante justice and punishment?

RCR addresses other TOS violations which also ran rampant.

The RCR includes a temp ignores you never have to see them again, and since you cannot RCR without having seen them, the claim that the temp ignore doesn’t prevent you from seeing it in the first place is moot.

Or do you insist upon having the power to punish them and to determine that other players can only see what you want them to see?

RCR prevents others from being subjected to the same garbage.

[Fesz-cenarius]

GM tickets work just fine for that.

No, they don’t. Because of cost. To require them to employ enough human capital, is to torpedo Classic before it even started.

Slow, ineffective GM response, vs a tried and tested system that’s effective and far cheaper.

RCRs still have to he reviewed by a human, don’t they?

Not to put the account out of commission for what the Gold Sellers want it for. Human response in slow time will get rid of the account, but in the meantime it’s still neutered.

And an “illegal services” option as the only option tied to an auto squelch still allows players to quickly deal with gold selling spam without leaving the other options subject to mob vigilante justice.

Why is that not good enough?

[Melaneth-dalaran]

Even so, it isn’t the convenience angle that people dislike. It is the automatic punishments, which can be abused. Remove the automatic punishments, and no one would object.

“can be abused”
Yes but does that hypothetical scenario outweigh the good that RCR does ?
The ‘abuse’ that people cry about doesn’t happen in retail what makes you think it will happen in classic ? are you saying that the player base in Classic will be that much worse than retail ?

Judging by the people in threads like this one? Yeah, they might be. Especially since retail players don’t really pay attention to the channels any more, since there’s no need 99% of the time.

RCR prevents others from being subjected to the same garbage.

So… you basically want to gatekeep and censor material you dislike, without any license or authority, controlling other people’s game experience because you got pissy over something?

[Fesz-cenarius]

Why would I do that when I could just rcr and have it automatically logged?

The convenience of RCR does not require that it be tied to auto squelch for most options.

Tying the RCR to an auto squelch only for an “illegal services” option still addresses and squelches gold sellers.

Why insist upon tying the RCR to an auto squelch in all cases if not to protect your option to impose your own brand of vigilante justice and punishment?

RCR addresses other TOS violations which also ran rampant.

The RCR includes a temp ignores you never have to see them again, and since you cannot RCR without having seen them, the claim that the temp ignore doesn’t prevent you from seeing it in the first place is moot.

Or do you insist upon having the power to punish them and to determine that other players can only see what you want them to see?

RCR prevents others from being subjected to the same garbage.

So, you want to control what other players can see, even if they might want to see it.

Thank you for confirming that.

It’s not like every other player can decide for themselves what they find offensive, ignorable or reportable, right?

[Xcentrick-area-52]

i got a great idea.

put in rcr instead of a temp ignore a permanent ignore that you cant undo.

i mean the people youre reporting are trash right?

lets make it so you cant ever EVER talk with them or see their chat again.

[Chellin-frostmourne]

I have never or never heard of anyone being muted because of rcr. This is hysteria at this best.

[Xcentrick-area-52]

i know of at least 3 people personally that ive talked with and 2 that i still talk wtih that have gotten muted.

[Melaneth-dalaran]

I have never or never heard of anyone being muted because of rcr. This is hysteria at this best.

“I’ve never seen it, so it doesn’t happen” is confirmation bias and a logical fallacy.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

Could have fooled me.

I guess you could address Fesz’ “projecting” too.

That is not enough for those who want the powerful impose their own brand of vigilante justice, though.

Why insist upon tying the RCR to an auto squelch in all cases if not to protect your option to impose your own brand of vigilante justice and punishment?

Or do you insist upon having the power to punish them and to determine that other players can only see what you want them to see?

You mean you prefer the convenience?

Blizzard prefers the convenience because that convenience causes people to actually report those spamming illicit services.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Could have fooled me.

I guess you could address Fesz’ “projecting” too.

That is not enough for those who want the powerful impose their own brand of vigilante justice, though.

Why insist upon tying the RCR to an auto squelch in all cases if not to protect your option to impose your own brand of vigilante justice and punishment?

Or do you insist upon having the power to punish them and to determine that other players can only see what you want them to see?

You mean you prefer the convenience?

Blizzard prefers the convenience because that convenience causes people to actually report those spamming illicit services.

Speaking only for myself, it is not the convenience of the RCR system to which I object. It is the automated player imposed punishment of a squelch to which I object.

Tell us all why, in your opinion, having the auto squelch tied only to an “illegal services” option to handle gold selling SPAM is not enough. Tell us why, in your opinion, the player imposed punishment of a squelch must be tied to every option.