Right Click Report - Not Going Away

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

You and Fesz must have a stake in one of these companies.

Projecting much?

Not supporting RCR, and the auto-squelch in particular, doesn’t mean someone supports gold-spammers or people making inappropriate remarks in chat. As much as you would like it to.

Sure but are you supporting a better system or do you just want to return to the status quo of gold sellers, spammers and trolls not having any consequences?

[Fesz-cenarius]

Well once again no, as with most things that are subjective what one person thinks is a violation and reports might not be the same for another person.

That doesn’t mean the person who reported was in any way acting in bad faith.

And this is a case in point, the guy was specifically targeting specific servers as not worthy of his group. Shocking that people on those servers might object…

Was the report warranted due to an actual violation having bern committed?

OR

Was the report unwarranted due to no actual violation having been committed?

The report was due to a perceived violation occurring, that makes it a valid report and not an abuse.

An actual abuse would be someone making a report with the knowledge no violation had occurred.

It appears that you are still trying to justify abuse of the system while avoiding consequences fircthat abuse by trying hide in the “grey areas”.

IMO, Blizzard should make the RCR system binary.

IMO, if a squelch is overturned because no violation was actually committed, then every player that filed a report that contributed to that squelch should be subject to an escalating punishment.

As so many of those desiring the auto squelch want to say “actions have consequences and players should be held accountable for their actions”. That also goes for those filing reports.

IMO, those filing reports should be as ready to accept the consequences of their actions as those they are reporting.

I believe that those reporting things such as racial slurs or abusive language should have no fear as those are things that will in all likelihood be upheld.

The player that simply doesn’t like what Johnny said, however, should have to think about whether they want to risk being punished, IMO.

I completely agree, abusing the system should have consequences.

Filing a report that blizzard over turns is not automatically an abuse however.

IMO, an overturned squelch means that no violation was committed.

IMO, Blizzard should treat each and everybody that contributes to a squelch that is subsequently overturned as a false report and punish the reporter.

That would go a long way toward curbing and eliminating abuse of the system.

IMO, every player should be willing
to accept the consequences of their actions and that includes submitting reports.

Once again, IMO, those reporting things like abusive language, gold sellers, racial.slurs, etc. should have no worries about submitting those reports.

Those who want to report questionable things like telling a Chuck Norris joke or advertising once for a group using /trade, however, should have to think long and hard before submitting that report, IMO.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

gold sellers, spammers and trolls not having any consequences?

In Vanilla (before RCR) could gold-spammers:

A) be ignored in chat?

B) be reported?

Where is the no consequences coming from?

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

IMO, an overturned squelch means that no violation was committed.

IMO, Blizzard should treat each and everybody that contributes to a squelch that is subsequently overturned as a false report and punish the reporter.

That would go a long way toward curbing and eliminating abuse of the system.

IMO, every player should be willing
to accept the consequences of their actions and that includes submitting reports.

Once again, IMO, those reporting things like abusive language, gold sellers, racial.slurs, etc. should have no worries about submitting those reports.

Those who want to report questionable things like telling a chick Norris joke or advertising once for a group using /trade, however, should have to think long and hard before submitting that report, IMO.

Once again I completely agree that people who submit reports in bad faith should be punished. However blizzard over turning a squelch does not mean the reports were made in bad faith.

[Fesz-cenarius]

You and Fesz must have a stake in one of these companies.

You must have missed my earlier post in which I said that I support adding an illegal services option to the RCR and tying the auto squelch to that option.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

gold sellers, spammers and trolls not having any consequences?

In Vanilla (before RCR) could gold-spammers:

A) be ignored in chat?

B) reported?

Where is the no consequences coming from?

A)They could be ignored, of course then they could still just keep spamming others.

B) Blizzard was so slow to act on reports it was a joke.

RCR fixed both those problems.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

Blizzard was so slow to act on reports it was a joke.

So, there were in fact consequences, right?

Why is it only a binary choice between RCR and no consequences?

[Somalion-eitrigg (Somalion)]

Why is it only a binary choice between RCR and no consequences?

it’s not binary, the old system they were actioned (usually months down the line in mass bans).
RCR is immediate and stops them dead in their tracks instead of allowing them to continue spamming, swearing etc. seemingly without consequence.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

it’s not binary

The poster I quoted seems to think it is.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Blizzard was so slow to act on reports it was a joke.

So, there were in fact consequences, right?

Why is it only a binary choice between RCR and no consequences?

That’s what I’ve been saying, I would love if blizzard would staff enough GM’s to patrol all channels 24/7/365. But they didn’t in vanilla and there’s no indication they will in classic so… RCR is better than just letting gold sellers and trolls run rampant.

[Fesz-cenarius]

IMO, an overturned squelch means that no violation was committed.

IMO, Blizzard should treat each and everybody that contributes to a squelch that is subsequently overturned as a false report and punish the reporter.

That would go a long way toward curbing and eliminating abuse of the system.

IMO, every player should be willing
to accept the consequences of their actions and that includes submitting reports.

Once again, IMO, those reporting things like abusive language, gold sellers, racial.slurs, etc. should have no worries about submitting those reports.

Those who want to report questionable things like telling a chick Norris joke or advertising once for a group using /trade, however, should have to think long and hard before submitting that report, IMO.

Once again I completely agree that people who submit reports in bad faith should be punished. However blizzard over turning a squelch does not mean the reports were made in bad faith.

And I am saying that i believe that Blizzard should remove the “grey ateas” in which abusers will likely try to hide in order to avoid the consequences for their abuse by treating all reports as either warranted or unwarranted (false) and punishing those that submit falsecreports that contribute to a squelch that is subsequently overturned.

Doing so will go a very long way toward greatly reducing or eliminating abuse.

We get it. Some people want to have the power to collude in order to squelch any other players any time for any reason without ever worrying about suffering any consequences for their abuse if the system. These people will likely fight tooth and nail to ensure that those grey areas rin which they plan to hide remain part of the system.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

IMO, an overturned squelch means that no violation was committed.

IMO, Blizzard should treat each and everybody that contributes to a squelch that is subsequently overturned as a false report and punish the reporter.

That would go a long way toward curbing and eliminating abuse of the system.

IMO, every player should be willing
to accept the consequences of their actions and that includes submitting reports.

Once again, IMO, those reporting things like abusive language, gold sellers, racial.slurs, etc. should have no worries about submitting those reports.

Those who want to report questionable things like telling a chick Norris joke or advertising once for a group using /trade, however, should have to think long and hard before submitting that report, IMO.

Once again I completely agree that people who submit reports in bad faith should be punished. However blizzard over turning a squelch does not mean the reports were made in bad faith.

And I am saying that i believe that Blizzard should remove the “grey ateas” in which abusers will likely try to hide in order to avoid the consequences for their abuse by treating all reports as either warranted or unwarranted (false) and punishing those that submit falsecreports that contribute to a squelch that is subsequently overturned.

Doing so will go a very long way toward greatly reducing or eliminating abuse.

We get it. Some people want to have the power to collude in order to squelch any other players any time for any reason without ever worrying about suffering any consequences for their abuse if the system. These people will likely fight tooth and nail to ensure that those grey areas rin which they plan to hide remain part of the system.

It seems like the people who want to spam gold selling and troll in trade chat are the ones who are more interested in preserving that “grey area” where they won’t get actioned.

[Altrageous-wyrmrest-accord]

Those who want to report questionable things like telling a Chuck Norris joke or advertising once for a group using /trade, however, should have to think long and hard before submitting that report, IMO.

Thankfully a single report does not trigger a squelch.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

Again with the projecting.

I’m not projecting anything. You’re the one who’s claiming that there’s already solutions to Gold Spam in game through the ignore function. You’re the one claiming that it was unnecessary and everything was “fine” before it was implemented.

It wasn’t fine, it was necessary and the game is better off with it. Anyhow, I’m done with this because you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing like you always do.

[Somalion-eitrigg (Somalion)]

I’m not projecting anything. You’re the one who’s claiming that there’s already solutions to Gold Spam in game through the ignore function. You’re the one claiming that it was unnecessary and everything was “fine” before it was implemented.

remember the dead gnomes spelling the gold seller site ?
Pepperridge farms remembers

[Fesz-cenarius]

Those who want to report questionable things like telling a Chuck Norris joke or advertising once for a group using /trade, however, should have to think long and hard before submitting that report, IMO.

Thankfully a single report does not trigger a squelch.

No, but that number could be as few as 10 (or even 5), neither of which would be a difficult number of reports to reach for even a small group of friends.

We don’t know what the target report number is.

We have seen posts from people that their “tests” indicate that the target number for a squelch is no more than 10, though.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

I’m not projecting anything.

Oh really?

You and Fesz must have a stake in one of these companies.

Could have fooled me.

You and The Druid are the one’s claiming that RCR is the ONLY thing that will keep gold-spammers and racists from overtaking chat. That somehow the game will be unplayable without it.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Could gold-spammers not be put on ignore before RCR?

That wouldn’t have any effect on getting the account banned.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

That wouldn’t have any effect on getting the account banned

It would prevent you from seeing the spam though. Which was a concern brought up earlier.

[Fesz-cenarius]

IMO, an overturned squelch means that no violation was committed.

IMO, Blizzard should treat each and everybody that contributes to a squelch that is subsequently overturned as a false report and punish the reporter.

That would go a long way toward curbing and eliminating abuse of the system.

IMO, every player should be willing
to accept the consequences of their actions and that includes submitting reports.

Once again, IMO, those reporting things like abusive language, gold sellers, racial.slurs, etc. should have no worries about submitting those reports.

Those who want to report questionable things like telling a chick Norris joke or advertising once for a group using /trade, however, should have to think long and hard before submitting that report, IMO.

Once again I completely agree that people who submit reports in bad faith should be punished. However blizzard over turning a squelch does not mean the reports were made in bad faith.

And I am saying that i believe that Blizzard should remove the “grey ateas” in which abusers will likely try to hide in order to avoid the consequences for their abuse by treating all reports as either warranted or unwarranted (false) and punishing those that submit falsecreports that contribute to a squelch that is subsequently overturned.

Doing so will go a very long way toward greatly reducing or eliminating abuse.

We get it. Some people want to have the power to collude in order to squelch any other players any time for any reason without ever worrying about suffering any consequences for their abuse if the system. These people will likely fight tooth and nail to ensure that those grey areas rin which they plan to hide remain part of the system.

It seems like the people who want to spam gold selling and troll in trade chat are the ones who are more interested in preserving that “grey area” where they won’t get actioned.

I guess that’s why I continually state that I believe that gold sellers should be subject to a squelch, via an “illegal services” option, and punished at Blizzard’s discretion. I guess that’s also why I continually state that actual violations, such as racial slurs or abusive language should be punished.

I simply believe that with the exception of the aforementioned “illegal services”, ANY punishment, including a squelch, should be in Blizzard’s hands and not the hands of the players.