Yes. The uncivilised are people whose opinion differs from yours. Well done. That’s definitely not the problem with society today. Let’s perpetuate that notion.
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I’m glad it’s staying. I’d rather not have to sit there and write an essay in a ticket every time I have to report someone.
Yet another great reason for simply using ignore. You don’t have to write an essay. People want to play classic because things took time. When you get an upgrade, it’s awesome. RCR is like the LFR of dobbing on people because they hurt your feelings.
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I use ignore all the time. I also don’t report everyone I ignore. I ignore people I don’t like, and I report people who are genuinely breaking the rules. Two different things.
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Their rules are literally “using vulgar language”. Do you report when someone swears?
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Not usually. I swear in closed circles all the time. If they’re spouting off particularly vile hate speech though it might bug me enough to report them.
I don’t tolerate people telling others to kill themselves, for one.
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And there’s my point. What some people consider bad is not the same as what other people consider bad. According to the EULA you basically can’t even swear (despite the language filter). I either want to ignore people who I don’t want to listen to, or use the EULA as a guide and report every person I see use a swear word. why do things by halves right? Those are the rules after all.
And to your edit: I have multiple direct family members who have killed themselves. I’m not going to try to get you banned from a video game because you tell me to kill myself.
The choice is there for people. I only report when it bugs me enough and when it genuinely breaks the rules. Maybe play it safe by not breaking the rules?
I wouldn’t even begin to think about telling you to kill yourself. But as someone who thinks about suicide almost every day and has come close to actually attempting it, it is a very sensitive issue for me and the minute I see a “kys”, they are getting reported. Don’t care.
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In my opinion, you should tell the person how you feel about what they said, and if they double down then maybe. I’d still go for ignore though. That’s just me being a free speech extremist though.
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In my 20+ years of experience playing MMOs, trying to stand up to buttheads like that just gets you laughed at. I use /ignore pretty freely, because there are a lot of people I don’t like, but it doesn’t mean I report them all either because being a jerk isn’t necessarily breaking the rules.
You might not believe me, but I am a firm believer in free speech as well. The thing with free speech though, is that 1. Free Speech only applies to things relating to the government, 2. Free Speech doesn’t mean Freedom from Consequences, and 3. Free Speech doesn’t apply to a private entity like WoW and Blizzard. They are free to create whatever rules on speech they want to and they are free to punish people who break said rules. I wouldn’t play a game that didn’t have some sort of protection like that because I am not interested in playing in a world with the equivilent of a Mad Max anarchy setting.
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Well the reason I’d say talk to them is because, for the same reason they don’t know about your situation, you might not know about theirs. Lots of suicidal people are angry and will say mean things because they hate life. Getting banned from a video game that may be the only thing keeping them alive (which is sad in itself), so there may be an unintended consequence of not confronting people about these things and going straight for reporting.
And yeah I’m in reasonable agreement about your free speech points, though I think people use the freedom from consequences line a little to freely in regards to committing violence against those whose speech you don’t agree with, but that’s another topic entirely.
As far as the private platform thing, I think blizzard’s EULA is way too strict. No vulgar language when there’s a profanity filter is mingbogglingly stupid. Especially if I can’t use the term “white” or “yellow” or “black” in a character name. I get why they do it, but it makes me cringe.
As for the anarchy thing, I still feel ignore takes care of a lot of that.
I dont understand this myopia. Free speech is a much larger concept than the specifics of whatever the current government in power allows.
For those of you advocating censorship, when the worm turns and you find yourself on the other end of the tools you’ve been supporting, no one will sympathize, nor will you deserve sympathy.
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Do you really think that a person angry at me because I just destroyed them in PvP, or got to a node or mob before them, is going to receptive to that sort of thing? There’s no law that says I have to sit there and take their abuse, no matter the situation. I don’t care how angry someone is, they have no right to take it out on me. I’m not going to risk further ridicule by saying “Can you please not say such things? Suicide is a sensitive issue for me.”
Well, not everyone is going to be as capable of controlling themselves as others, and when you have people like the preacher on the street shouting certain things about women I won’t mention here, and then getting a baseball bat to the head, I’m going to find it hard to pity that person.
It does, but all ignore does is pass the problem on to someone else. Where should it end? There’s that quote about evil prospering when good people do nothing, etc etc.
I’m polite to people all the time and I don’t go out of my way to say ridiculous rule breaking things. I’ve literally never had a problem in these games, ever.
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You lost me at advocating violence for words. Never ok.
Never said it was. But when you’re being extremely dumb about saying certain things in certain settings, you might well be inviting certain consequences upon yourself.
If I went into a minority neighborhood and shouted racist slurs through a megaphone, do you think it’d be reasonable to not expect something to happen to me?
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If you were physically assaulted I would expect the full force of the law to be used against that person. I’m not saying it won’t happen, but it shouldn’t. I grew up in a time where there was actually reciprocal joking about people of all races. It’s an important part of bonding with people who are different than you. It’s like… yea I know we are different but at least we can joke about it. I don’t mind being called a blue eyed devil. Now everything is so loaded that nobody can say a damn thing. It’s a sad thing to lose.
Anyway, we are getting off track a bit here.
And in certain circles that’s still fine. I’m sure groups of friends make fun of each other all the time. I wouldn’t say it’s entirely appropriate in WoW trade chat though. And yes if someone is offended by something that’s rule breaking, they are well within their rights to report them. This would be the case even without RCR. The only difference is that they’d have to take a few minutes out of their day to do it through a ticket instead.
Honestly? No one would come out of their house and confront you. That only happens in bad movies. In real life people assume you’re some crazy junkie baying at the moon. Since you’re using a megaphone you’re violating some noise ordinance. The police will be called. And they’ll talk to you to find out what your major malfunction is, and you’ll probably be thrown in the drunk tank.
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Yes. You’re going to need to do better than this. How many people are going to be vying for those rank 10-14 versus the number of people who the system was meant for, which is nearly everyone?
So far, it’s an argument for RCR to be disabled or altered for BGs, rather than the entire entire system to be gutted.