was and is, this should’ve been the only thing you said rather than trying to defend not using it at all lmao
I really hope you’re just talking about the narrow scope of ll vs ss here because otherwise you are once again wrong
(less so a leading funnel spec going into tww)
wait till you find out about lightning rod
Got something really funny to show you: Here are some Season 4 sims of the standard Lashing Flames M+ build, Frost witch M+ build, an M+ build were you drop Lashing Flames and take Swirling Maelstrom.
https://imgur.com/q3GWYRehttps://imgur.com/deAZnakTurns out you’re perfectly fine not playing lashing flames if you didn’t want to. I know it is hard to think for yourself and not just copy whatever on Wowhead. If you have a hard time playing a build, DON’T PLAY THE BUILD. If you were having such a hard time playing it or simply didn’t enjoy playing it, you had an option to not play it and still play just as well. Wild concept, I know. I quite literally played Legacy during Season 3 because I didn’t enjoy Lashing Flames and still did fine in M+.
Maybe if you learned how to play the spec properly, you’d figure it out, but I think you’re just bad at it, and that is why you continue to post on this rat rogue alt and screech about things you don’t understand. I’d really love to see your IO or Logs, but you won’t because it would show that you quite literally have no idea how to play this spec outside of copying what Icy Veins and Wowhead say. Think for yourself you sheep.
But anyway, have fun tab-targeting Chain Lighting with Stormbringer in TWW to keep Lighting Rod on multiple targets.
I mean if there is a prio target like the Bear in DHT, just CBA with Lashing Flames and just slam that prio target. Everyone cares too much about overall damage in keys.
Wasn’t defending it really, rather correcting the very incorrect statement that not using stormstrike with DF Elementalist build would leave you MSW starved. I also followed up that in TWW it’s different and stormstrike will be more important since it can proc tempest and increase surging totem damage.
That was the scope. You want me to reiterate so you understand? If you’re playing DF elementalist and you have the choice between LL and SS, LL always comes first.
Also wasn’t wrong the first time. I already said it was un-optimal, you do lose a small amount of damage, I even provided some ballpark numbers. It’s also the only thing you can cut without massively tanking your dps. Is your assertion that dropping stormstrike is optimal? Do you contend that stormstrike has a much larger impact than my napkin math shows? Are you claiming another ability can be dropped instead of stormstrike for smaller dps loss? Did I miss something that allows stormstrike to proc a whole lot more MSW stacks thus leaving elementalist MSW starved without it? Entirely possible I missed something, even said that in the post. So by all means, floor is yours just make sure you provide an actual argument and some proof to back it up.
I love having lots of buttons. Lots of options for different scenarios keeps things interesting.
I come from the olden times … when rpgs were harder … I prefer to have a steep challenge.
Good job bud we knew you’d get something right at some point
unbinding / not using SS is a damage loss and msw generation loss, which overall leads to even more damage loss when you bring in cdr
your word vomit about me claiming something else is hilarious though
So you’re admitting I was correct and you were wrong? 
Got it. Because had you read and understood the “word vomit” or even the original post you would know I said exactly those things. I even reiterated my claims, gave you the chance to pick them apart, and you whiffed so spectacularly. Truly embarrassing. I can see I won’t get any sort of actual well reasoned discussion with you so farewell!
I don’t have any skin in this game but I haven’t read a single post where you were right.
Elemental Assault gives 100% MSW on SS. So your math is way off as well.
Are you arguing with yourself or some imaginary version of me? What exactly did I just admit? Not once did I say losing SS was some sort of damage gain.
I’m laughing at your blatant misunderstanding of the spec, constant crying about bloat, insinuating that anyone with a pulse actually unbound SS while playing elementalist, and so on.
I mean, look in a mirror. And also have fun being hardstuck aotc!
Don’t talk to him. Dumb rat doesn’t know how to play this spec and ignores any argument that actually uses logic.
Even at 100%, which is something I missed just glancing at numbers, you’ll generate 120 MSW in a dungeon if you use Stormstrike 100 times. So an extra 12 chain lightnings about a 2.1% increase in overall damage over not using stormstrike, not including crash lightning. But back to my main point, that’s 1 MSW every 14s, 4.28 MSW per minute. That’s not exactly swimming in MSW or should you do without, starving. That also ignores you could put elemental assault talent points, of course prior to 10.2.7 when ice strike and lavalash were added to it iirc.
So for high end players where 2% matters, stormstrike was a must use. For average players who struggled with rotation keybinds? It doesn’t really matter. My own conjecture, average players will lose more dps using stormstrike in spots where another ability was better than they gain from using it. People tend to forget that optimal builds/rotations can be sub-optimal on average players.
Thank you for actually reading and catching my mistake.
I just wish we still had a melee build that was actually meaningful. I loved old windfury procs, and blizz just gutted it for the specs we play now.
I enjoy elemental, but that windfury always felt nice. Even on my cata enhance sham, its great.
Unfortunately your math is still wrong. That’s 2% less you spend MSW which means you are losing opportunity costs on Ele Blast which buffs the rest of your damage based on the secondary stat you gain. So you are not only losing 2% on storm strike, but losing out on even more damage from Ele Blast, Lava Lash, ice strike, shocks… Everything.
There is no such thing as an “average player who struggle with rotation keybinds”. There are players who use their rotation correctly and incorrectly. What you are referring to are players that use it incorrectly.
Not using storm strike is an incorrect way to do your rotation and this means the “average player” needs to learn/practice to do it correctly. Most wow players don’t take on a new spec and know the rotation correctly 100% at first play through, they had to practice and learn, to become good at it.
The 2% stormstrike damage includes the MSW you would spend via it’s generation, in chain lightning. Not sure how you’re going to lose damage on ele blast since it will still be used on CD. Lava lash, ice strike or shocks aren’t losing damage either since ele blast buff will be up. The only time you would realistically lose the extra damage is if you were to have generated an extra lightning bolt or chain lightning during the ele blast buff. I’m not even going to do the actual math but let’s vastly overestimate and say it’s 20% more damage, so 2.4% overall damage, it’s not nothing but it’s also not a lot and average players wouldn’t even notice it. There is also an interaction with WDA and in a whole dungeon you’ll actually generate 4 more MSW and save 8s off feral spirit.
There are absolutely players who struggle with rotations and keybinds. There is an absolute “correct” statistical rotation and there is the rotation that players can reliably perform. This is exactly why sims never correlate 1:1 to realworld because things happen, mechanics need dodged, lag, rng, etc. What I’m referring to is a rotation that average players that struggle with keybinds can reliably perform. Yes it’s incorrect to our elitist overlords who decide what is right and what is wrong, but it’s correct for that players ability.
Player skill is not and never has been universal, meaning that certain players are inherently more skilled than others. Practice can help, but it can only take you so far. Since this is really about keybinds and not the rotation, practice isn’t really going to help unless they are a new PC player. Most players know their keybind limitations already and practiced to get there. Anything outside those limitations is going to either be clicked or result in them not playing the class/spec at all. Physical limitations also need to be accounted for. Some people simply can’t hit the buttons others can. Hardware can also play a factor, MMO mouse vs normal mouse. Until Blizzard tells us who/what skill level they want to design the game for we can only make due. In DF if someone wanted to play Enhancement with less rotation keybinds dropping Stormstrike was a good way of doing it while still potentially getting 95% out of the spec.
Clearly we won’t agree here so agree to disagree.
GSE is an addon that can do that.
Right, people just suck at the game. Lets not design the game for people who just suck at this game. Post on your main or shut up.
EDIT: NVM found your shaman (Ñeferet). Pretty cute you hid your logs.
enhance is rly great so far for me but again ascendance 3 min is a joke.
i think that it should really be 2min.
or
Each Feral Spirit reduce to cd of it kind of like primordial Wave do with tier set.
More Maelstorm , More Wolf More Wolf More Asendance , then it could stay 3mins XD
i mean even like each stormstrike reduce the cd of it of 5 sec would be neat
ELE has a 2 min ascendance also but not enh ?
You’re missing the fact that if you are generating MSW slower than the spec is designed to give, you are also spending it less than it’s designed to give, which translates to you are getting the Ele Blast buff less. That hurts all your other rotational abilities because there will be more time than there should be they are not being buffed by Ele Blast.
You are gimping more of your damage than just 2% less on the damage of Ele Blast.
We can agree to disagree, but it is factual that not using stormstrike is the wrong way to play the spec.
As for keybinds, use modifiers that helps. If you need to buy a keyboard or mouse to accommodate, do so. I don’t show up to a street race in a Toyota Prius and expect everyone to not use their super charged hot rod. That is what you are asking.
Anyone any good with SimC/Raidbots? You can run your own personal script to see what the real difference is between SS and no SS rotation. I mean its a moot point anyway because we know the answer, but at least you could find out just how much of a difference it makes.
Hard agree. 
I recently returned to WoW; last time I had played was when MoP released, and back then, I was pretty much exclusively a hunter player. This time back, I started with the hunter (comfort in familiarity) but soon decided to branch out; I now have played every class up to 70, cuz I wanted to be thorough. 
My new main is my elementalist Enhancement Shaman, hands down. I have been having incredible fun, I feel empowered and able to react to many changes of scenario, challenged more than the hunter (skill wise, there is significantly more you can do wrong as a player), and the builds are easily tweakable to my play style.
I can see room for QoL improvements for the class (like the option for a wee bit more range to my melee would be wonderful), but I personally hope for no full rework. The mass of buttons, to me, is part of the class’s charm: Use them right, when the time is right (and often in the right sequence) and you have a class that is very competitive in most situations.