Just saying for never touching a class and jumping in arena and owning proves that this is a brain dead class. Half of my rated matches have been with sub 170 gear and I was still winning. There is still plenty of time to climb, when I dont even have any addons macros, or real start in place besides pop wings and hit people for a 3rd of their health to full with divine toll wake and TV. OooooooaOoOOOOh big brain class.
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Clearing a heroic dungeon is the equivalent of getting to 1400. You literally canāt lose rating that low and get 96pts a win. You used to start at 1500 in arena brackets and go from there.
So no, getting to 1400 is not āowningā. Skirms are harder than 1400.
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Wrong, you lose raiting at above 1200, 2 i do more damage as a 170 ret then I do as a 210 DK, 3 after doing every dungeon on 9 keys (im limited on time so havent been able to push as much as I wanted) I would say that arena is alot harder then even mythic 7+. Skirms are a joke and I think i have lost maybe like 1. What are you smoking, or like all Paladins, are you just talking out your rear end to try and Justify your Brain Dead Class?
Edit: Granted in PvE DK owns and its damage does not translate to Arena.
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Actually I agree, getting 1400 on paladin is about as Easy as a Heroic. Other class it is much harder and takes a least an IQ Above 70.
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If you do more damage as a 170 ret than a 210 dk there is no helping you. Thatās not a class issue there bud, something isnāt right.
And maybe my Iām biased, but I also have never been hard stuck at 1400 ever.
Wow 1400 rating? Thatās like someone bragging about completing a regular world quest.
1400 rating literally means nothing.
What DK ability can hit for 15K+? Our covenant ability with Ringing Clarity easily can.
TV with Seraphim/Wings/Judgment boost hits Harder then that.
No, I am not bragging about 1400, im saying being able to hit it while gearing exclusively through Arena with sub 10 vers was Easier then it was on DK. Just making a Comparison. No way did I say 1400 was good.
I suggest going to the top player in NA 3v3 atm, a DK, and watching his stream to copy what he is doing. You might have a different perspective.
DK Unholy:
2v2 43 in top 5k players
3v3 58 in the top 5k players
Paladin Ret:
293 2v2 top 5k
361 3v3 top 5k
1 DK in the top 500 3v3 vs 7 Rets. Yeah, maybe he is a baller player and has good teamates? the Top 1% does not translate to the rest of the game. You are not even the top 1% so by that logic if you cant get up there, you must stuck at your class too and its your short comings not your class as you so desperately tried to argue above.
Point is, using leveling sub heroic gear in Arena as I built pvp gear netted me a higher win rate and easier climb then jumping into arena as a 200+ DK. Games are easier, less stressfull, my spike DAMAGE is way higher on a 1 min cooldown (dive toll 1 min, WoA 45 sec,) You get LAY ON HANDS EVERY 3 HOLY POWER, vs my what, 2k healing Death strike that takes 33% of my runic power max? PLease, just get outtttttttta here if you think DK doesnt need a buff.
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Top PLayer in 3v3 NA is a monk named Drizzy, how does that help me?
These guys arenāt getting it. This DK boosted a ret and is owning at 170 ilvl, while his 210 DK is doing less damage. HE isnt saying 1400 is amazing, heās saying it was silly easy to do this on Ret. Ret paladins in blue gear do as much or more damage than a geared Dk and have crazy off heals to boot. Just admit your class is OP af.
One guy is a top DK. Okay. By that logic, go watch the Worlds Strongest Man on TV then pull a semi-truck down a track, or bench 1200 pounds. Let me know how that goes for you. Those r1 players could play any class and do well. They are the exception, not the norm.
I like the DK kit, thatās why I play one, we have grips, we have roots, we have snares, we have burst dmg and one of the best legendary pvp items in the game with Absolute Zero, the problem ofc is us being very squishy with low mobility. Most other melee classes have their āyikes, iām about to die, better click (yes click) this button and I will be saved for a couple of more secondsā, DKās donāt have that even if you hit Death Pact (which removes our only mobility talent)+ kill your ghoul+ IBT+Lichborne with the dmg reduction covenant talent.
It sounds like the ability is bugged if this is true, and you are only getting the benefit of the 7% max hp minimum no matter how much damage you take.
It should be giving you whichever is greater: 25% of damage taken or 7% max hp PLUS bonus healing based on Vers. Is this not the case?
If heās 1400 rated then heās not owning because 1400 rating is really low. If heās struggling harder to get to 1400 as a DK then heās likely just laughably bad at this game.
Guys, we get it, rets are OK. Can we please focus on the Death Strike nerf?
lol sorry in 4 active days of pvping on my alt I havent climbed to 2700 oh might master haha.
as I said before
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DK Unholy:
2v2 43 in top 5k players
3v3 58 in the top 5k players
Paladin Ret:
293 2v2 top 5k
361 3v3 top 5k
1 DK in the top 500 3v3 vs 7 Rets. Yeah, maybe he is a baller player and has good teamates? the Top 1% does not translate to the rest of the game. You are not even the top 1% so by that logic if you cant get up there, you must stuck at your class too and its your short comings not your class as you so desperately tried to argue above.
Point is, using leveling sub heroic gear in Arena as I built pvp gear netted me a higher win rate and easier climb then jumping into arena as a 200+ DK. Games are easier, less stressfull, my spike DAMAGE is way higher on a 1 min cooldown (dive toll 1 min, WoA 45 sec,) You get LAY ON HANDS EVERY 3 HOLY POWER, vs my what, 2k healing Death strike that takes 33% of my runic power max? PLease, just get outtttttttta here if you think DK doesnt need a buff.
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Look, if youāre struggling to hit 1400 rating on your DK then it is 100% a skill issue.
If youāre saying itās easier to hit 1400 rating as class X vs class Y then your statement is 100% irrelevant because any class can easily hit 1400 rating. Therefore it would be a non-issue.
Sorry was getting around to WoG is just way better then Deathstrike with Transfusion.
The DK was there a day or so ago, but I counted 7 dk in the top 100 alone. Idk what ladders youāre looking at.
Every class has a weakness, but the last thing DK needs is to be a live lord with their insane pressure right now. Insane pressure non-stop for a whole game, not just once a min
Survivability and burst is what Is king in this meta Right now. Yes, you can pop lichborne and pump Deathcoils into yourself from burst healing, but that uses a cooldown and a Full resource bar vs WoG you get every 3 GCD max (mostly 2GCD sometimes 1) as a Ret Paladin doing your simple rotation.
You will also then have to take a PVP talent or 2 With necrotic strike and Transfusion in order to try to steal 4% healing form a person while trying to get maybe 6-9k healing back with a resouce bar that takes 4-6GCD to fill vs a plds 2-3GCD all while healing less.
Even Rune of Sanguination is bugged right now and If it goes off in one Arena match it wont be ready for the next because the cooldown carries over and does not reset.
Fighting Paladins I legit though they got Lay of Hands back in Arena, turns out its just a Wings WoG that can top you off. Hardly seems fair to compare.