if i am selling a boosting for gold its within the tos
if its a lvl 1 doing it then its Tos punishable
What specifically? Boosting communities? Just because they’re against the rules doesn’t mean unbanning them is automatically a “terrible idea.” Otherwise, we’d still be experiencing Prohibition with that line of thinking.
The ones I’ve used certainly were. Have you used one before? This is one of those things that can be difficult for someone to understand if they’ve never actually experienced a transaction within a reputable boosting community.
I think you’ve expressed your bias against boosting in general with this statement, so now I understand why you think unbanning the communities is a “terrible idea.”
I didn’t say what you do was against the rules. The boosting communities that were banned were not following the rules. They didn’t just randomly decide, “Hey, we don’t want this.”
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What they were banned for. Or do you think Blizz just said, “Hey, I don’t like these guys, I’ll just get rid of them!” They were banned for a reason. And now you’re asking for them back. Groups who broke the rules and you want them back. Okay.
And that’s not all of them, now is it? I’ve had friends end up dealing with unreputable ones and it did not end well.
I don’t care if people want to boost. But if you don’t want to get screwed, since it’s usupported, play the game yourself. There’s no “bias.”
This whole thread is pretty nonsensical at best. “Let’s unban people who broke the rules, because I’m too lazy to report people and that’ll fix the problem!”
Y’all have fun with that line of thinking.
I do not agree with blanket bans that also hurt those playing within the rules. It sounds like, to me at least, that you are lumping all of the communities into one group and labeling everyone as “bad.” That’s not a very constructive way to look at things in my view.
I never said it was all of them. Note I used the words “reputable,” “generally,” etc. It was certainly far less riskier back then than it is now. When boosting communities were banned, a superbly large void was opened that allowed a breadth of scammers to infiltrate the market. Boosting communities at least could hold those types at bay.
Correct. Unreputable communities aren’t good. As I said though, the reputable ones (that is, the ones with a good reputation) took care of its customers.
I think you’re missing the point of this thread. Again, I recognize that if you never actually participated in a transaction with a boosting community before, then it is really difficult to understand just how different it is now than it was then.
I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make here. No amount of reporting is going to completely eliminate scammers, just as no amount of reporting will completely eliminate bots. They just pop back up on a new account. Also, as I said before, you’re making the assumption that all communities “broke the rules” and are again applying a blanket statement, even to those that did not break the rules.
I do enjoy a constructive civil discussion though and appreciate it.
There’s no such thing as a “blanket ban.” There are “'ban waves,” which is not the same thing. If those communities were banned, then they were banned for breaking the rules. If someone was banned wrongly and they didn’t appeal it… then that’s kind of on them. But appeals do work. And if they did appeal and they didn’t break the rules, then they would be unbanned and still selling legitimately.
Nope. Just the ones who were banned. That’s it, that’s all. Entirely different than those who still sell carries legitimately without breaking the rules. Those people are fine and good and do their thing without issue.
Then there was nothing to argue about?
So moot argument?
Neither is unbanning those who broke the rules. That just promotes more people to break the rules. Not the best route to take.
Nope. Just the ones who were banned. I have never voiced any issue with anyone who sells boosting or gets boosted.
I do promote playing the game yourself only because it’s unsupported and I hate seeing people get scammed by those who aren’t reputable— but I never said that was everyone.
You seem to be misunderstanding me and focusing on a point that doesn’t even exist. So let’s nix the “I hate all boosters” theory, please, because it doesn’t exist and is not part of this.
My point is simple: you don’t unban people who were banned, because they broke the rules. That’s all there is to it.
That’s /7, not /5, and on my server at least it’s never used.
I’m going to disregard the rest of your post temporarily because it sounds like you don’t understand what is being discussed. I want to make sure you actually understand what is being discussed before going further.
Boosting communities were blanket-banned. That is indisputable. I encourage you to read the thread regarding it, which is still stickied on this forum a year and a half later:
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Sounds like it did good work, then - now you know with certainty that those advertising are not legitimate, and you won’t be tricked!
Except they weren’t.
That says they are subject to action. Not that every single one was suddenly blanket banned.
And as I said, it’s breaking the rules:
They are banned
Sort of like it’s banned, then?
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Yes, they were.
Those words are pretty clear.
You literally ignored what I quoted you in that same article and cherry picked at sentence without reading the details.
I think we’re done. There’s certainly an incorrect bias on your end and there’s really no reason to continue with what is a circular conversation that you’re not understanding, because you want to see them as victims, instead of what the EULA states.
Just find a reputable player or guild.
I realized when you started talking about banwaves and appeals that you weren’t tracking what the thread was about. I can understand why you aren’t understanding the purpose of the thread.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
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Bliz spells out different rules for different types of advertising. A GROUP is not allowed to sell services, even for in game gold. An individual is, following their spelled out rules (only in trade services, poster must participate in the run, etc.).
My biggest issue is not that Bliz allows these, but I’ve known plenty of people that watch the trade services channel just to report valid runs as “spam”, hoping to silence them, or even get them banned. If you don’t like what’s being offered on that channel, don’t watch it. Sure, some of the spam reports are quite valid. But enough people bragging about reporting it to make it go away completely makes me wish Bliz had a more firm definition of ‘spam’ instead of only letting the server community decide. Some of them think once is too many.
Edit: Forgot link: https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/000187406
This is an issue and Blizz needs to crack down on false reports and mass reporting to get people squelched.
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I have seen people “brag” about that too. It’s a shame that people try to get others punished for using a chat channel as intended. Now, I can understand excessive messages, but I have seen people say they report anything and everything that smells like “boost” to them, regardless of where it’s posted.
Going back to the boosting community ban: The justification given back then was:
This was before the Trade (Services) channel existed. I think a few months after the boosting community ban is when they decided to create the separate chat channel. Since that chat channel now exists, the original issue should no longer exist.
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Boosting was not banned. Boosting for real-life money was ALWAYS against the rules. Boosting for in-game gold was ALWAYS unsupported and continues to be so today. Details on the Advertising policy can be found HERE
As long as the boosting group follows those rules, they can continue boosting for gold.
I want to remind people to right-click and report spam in the Trade channel and recommend they do so frequently. This accomplishes two key things:
- It helps lead the poster’s account to a squelch and later a silence affecting the entire battle.net account. This forces these elicit sellers (for real-life money) to move to another account.
- It helps Blizzard to detect hacked accounts as these ads tend to be done on stolen accounts.
Lastly, I don’t see how allowing legitimate boosting posts (for gold by a person participating in the run) to be in the trade channel will help reduce spam. If anything, it would increase it.
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Great post, but I want to be sure you’re aware that the subject of the thread is boosting communities and not boosting in general. Boosting communities were banned January 2022.
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