That was more of a safety concern. They outlawed magic because of the damage it had caused. The Highborne were responsible for the legion’s arrival through the use of magic.
But didn’t this happen to the humans? After they learned magic from the High Elves that used it so often that it did attract demons, thus making it necessary to form the guardian of tristfall. The High Elves didn’t have this demon problem because they had those shields hiding them and their use of magic.
Maybe but it’s more likely that they didn’t even know that the elves in Eldre Thalas survived. They stayed in northern Kalimdor for ther next 10k years. Feralas didn’t have an outpost until after the third war. If the night elves did know about their magic they probably would have been killed. Shandris says as much in game, under the law it would be her duty to execute them but they had Tyrande’s protection.
I was more referring to the modern acceptance, since had they offered Dathramir Sunstrider and the Quel’dorei a similar deal of continue using your magic under guidelines and deploy those magic dampening fields, instead of banning it, the schism likely wouldn’t have happened.
Not to mention with the Quel’dorei still around there is a good chance, the Elven Empire wouldn’t have stagnated and decayed, but instead the Quel’dorei would have rebuilt the empire, under the banner of “Only we can police the primitive races, so they don’t make the same mistakes with magic and draw back the Legion”.
The Arcandor does show that nature and arcane powers can accomplish wonderful things when combined and properly tended.
Not really. The Burning Legion found Azeroth with humans thanks to Medivh being possessed by Sargeras. This is older lore written before the night elves were really a thing. So if there was anything about humans being overtaken by the arcane and their heads exploding, its probably in Meztens notes when fleshing out Warcraft as a setting and deviating from its Warhammer inspirations.
So it sounds like a continuity snarl. They tried to flesh out magic and didn’t think about what it means to previously established lore until after the night elves were put in WC3 and WoW became a thing.
Quite possibly, but I know I remember reading that the humans had to deal with demons prior to Medivh. They were coming through the rif5s created by magic so the created the guardian. But then again this could be early arcane lore before the rest read set in stone. Is so it messes with the need for the council of tristfall.
Ok, I see what your saying. Agreed.
True too. I don’t think they would have rebuilt the same empire that was gone or that they the blood elves have now. The sisterhood would have been in control but you would have seen more of a blend if nature, moon, and arcane elements in that new civilization.
Very much so. This is what i’m hoping for the NE in the future. If they get a new city or should display all rubber aspects of the culture. Finslly bringing together all of the pieces that are unique to them.
I’m torn. I don’t want to stomp on other people’s fun if they’re enjoying NE mages, but I liked it better when NEs rejected the arcane. It was flavorful, and they haven’t done enough with the potential storyline of mages struggling to be re-accepted into NE society to create any interesting tension to replace that flavor when it was lost.
I have always spoken against changes to Night elf society when they are not in line with lore but mages did make sense it at least the way they were implemented.
Kaldorei mages have always existed. They were exiled not extinguished. We knew there were survivors in Dire Maul since vanilla. Also they were not welcomed with open arms, they were rejected and killed but because of circumstances they were given a chance to show they could fiction within their current society. And only now in war of thorns they were cheered for they efforts.
So in my opinion their story arc was well executed.
The Exile of the Highborne happened under different circumstances with a vastly different Night Elf culture and the assumptions that all parties had about the Legion back then aren’t applicable today.
It would be tremendously idiotic and hypocritical to continue to welcome Alliance mages on their soil while repressing their own people’s use of the same. Their neighbors on the Horde are not shy about using arcane magic against the Nigtht Elves, it would be foolish of them to continue to shy away from their own natural talents in the area.
I personally like the idea of the msgs being back but I get what you’re saying too. In “Wolfheart” the mages were already in Teldrassil outside Darnassus and in game we see Mordant standing in ther temple of the moon getting told off for starring at the moonwell lol. I wish we got more of their reason for going back to their people. That would have been a nice story.
I loved that part in war of thorns where thr highborne are cheered for. They were presently shocked by their warm welcome. They were finally working in tandem with each other. Plus you see Highborne generals in Darkshore on the horde side and Arcmage Mordent on the Warfront. I think in the future to NE might be more united.
If by High elves, you mean Vereesa and the Silver covenant, there aren’t many Mages actually left among their ranks. But they are welcomed in Night Elf society as much as any Mage.
But, as it’s been stated, Opinions and Fears have changed over the past 10,000 years, or more specifically, in the last 20 since the end of the last War.
That kind of thing doesn’t change over night.
And Elves, noticeably, are extremely prone to being overpowered by and changed by Magic. They seam to be extremely malleable and mutagenic, from Dark Trolls all the way to Void Elves, so many variations. The Concern is Legit. They found it easier to Ban it’s use instead of trying to regulate it.
When the Kal’dorei first Banned the Arcane (for the reasons stated above), the Quel’dorei (as they later called themselves) openly refused to stop and even started a civil war among them, going as far as attacking Ashenvale with an Arcane storm (which only further convinced the Night Elves of the dangers of the Arcane.) By Law, Malfurion was suppose to execute them but couldn’t bring himself to do it. So he Exiled them instead.
So the rift between them wasn’t JUST for them using the Arcane but actually for the Storm and causing the Civil War.
I imagine, if the Hostilities between the Alliance and the Horde were to settle down (since the Night Elves and Blood Elves are caught up in that), and the Blood Elves APOLOGIZED for Sunstrider’s attempted Coup against Malfurion (not likely to happen) THEN they probably would be accepted back the same as the Shen’drelar.
Blizzard treats NEs as being suspicious of the arcane unless a player wants to play a mage and then it is all “howdy friend”. (Or they have any other reason to ignore their history and culture. The NEs would be more interesting if they were consistent with with their predjudices.
Actually, I find them very consistent.
You seam to be confusing “Consistent” with “Stagnant.”
They aren’t forgetting neither their history nor their culture.
They Remember their History well. That’s why they banned the use of the Arcane within their society for so long. But Ideas can change and people can learn. And their Culture is STILL rooted in Nature but recent events, namely the Arcan’dor, has opened their eyes to the relationship between the Arcane and Nature and how both can co-exist.
The Night Elves are still being cautious but are growing more open to and accepting of Arcane users. What more do you want from them?
Tyrande and Malfurion had just overthrown the ruling caste of the previous Kal’dorei empire. In order to consolidate their new regime and begin to build a new society, much of the culture and traditions of the Highbornes had to be outlawed. The arcane would be very high on this list, as it was the practices and powers most associated with the disposed ruling caste. Since those former members of this caste refused to obey or be reeducated, they were banished and exiled - a very generous solution, quite frankly.
However since 10,000 years had passed, and the new society been thoroughly consolidated, Tyrande decided that it was time to let some of the previously banished magic practitioners back into society to help with the current crisis imposed by the Cataclysm and genocidal imperialist Horde settler aggressions.
Yeah, the case for allowing arcane magic was probably severely undermined in the eyes of the kaldorei by its foremost proponents being from the former ruling class. A ruling class that had previously secured power specifically through its mastery of arcane magic.