They’re both a tuning game lmao.
Minigamers are nuts if they think that their ability to do good burst rest solely on having one less global.
It doesn’t matter how much you keep repeating it, they aren’t gonna buff the S2 set by 300%
yes like how they said their gonna “watch ret performance and adjust” a week after the rework??? if you actually believe this then idk
you know what, thats actually valid. you do you. just dont spread misinfo around friend. its okay to vote what you think is fun
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Why can’t blizzard just make All 3 set available while S4 bosses drop omni token and let us choose/buy whatever tier we want to use, S2 is great for PVP but terrible for PVE contents while S3 are great for PVE ( gameplay wise ) but seem to be meh for the PVP side.
Already not looking forward for Season 4 because this season blizzard tune/balance around plate dps having legendary and even those who lucky enough to have it, they are still 5-10% behind the FOTM for mythic plus and 8-12% behind for raiding ( according to warcraftlog ) so Imagine those unlucky plate dps that does not have legendary.
No shot/I have zero faith that blizzard dev will tune s2/3 set properly ( or watever set that win the vote ) given what they done to ret with rework ( the scaling problem and talent choice )
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they arent…they could literally take the “hammer applys judgement” off and id vote S3. it legit is mechanics from a pvp perspective, and ur tweaking cause you cant see beyond pve numbers (why ur bad at pvp, cause numbers arnt everything). it doesnt matter what they buff S2 tier set by, its still functionally better for what i need in pvp than S3 and it comes down to literally 2 lines. Hammer applies judgement and judgement debuff makes FV hit harder thats it burst window secure, kills secure.
Make it 6 pieces of mix and match from all 3 seasons.
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You don’t seem to understand. The purpose of how applying judgement debuff and the damage it allows for is entirely based around tuning.
If they nerfed the judgement debuff in pvp by 90% suddenly this tier set is a lot less valuable.
It’s all tuning.
This sounds like a good idea. Options are good.
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I highly doubt you’d pass on it, you can’t be a purist about something like that for long and be successful at the same time. Eventually you take what’s best regardless of how you feel, specially if it’s op.
The same way I’d begrudgingly take T2 over nothing if it comes to that.
And the problem is still in the PvP talents, not what random set we get.
cute, except its a false positive, because it isnt nerfed by 90% in pvp, so you have to entirely exam the sets based on X vs Y where everything else is stable. you trying to bring in fake hypotheticals to say “hey look its tuning too” does absolutely nothing towards this argument.
- will blizzard tune the set thats picked? yes they have said so
- even without a 300% increase will S2 set be better than S3 in pvp because of mechanics? yes
- at what point does S3 become better through tuning? when its broken enough to get the nerf hammer and according to pve kids its already numerically better so if picked it will not receive much of a buff, except to match the new ilvl
therefore: ur arguments full of it and ur a troll.
not being a purist read my comment above, i agree that S3 can be better, but the tuning lvl at which it does become better would 1. not happen because numerically its already the better of the 3 in pve so S1/S2 would see buffs S3 would mostly be left unchanged, and 2. if it did manage to happen, be nerfed within a week as we have seen with all ret over-buffs in the past that have subsequently lead to over-nerfs
I’m not sure what it does in pve but in pve Expurg is like 1% of overall damage? Echoes is even less? Does literally no damage and is not fun. Can’t even play BoV to maximize the set damage because it’s sooo cheeks. Ticks for like 10k.
Season 2 is the only decent set, Season 1 was tolerable because it was basic and didn’t really hurt… it was just afk damage increase, albeit low. S3 is just sooooooo worthless. I’m actually considering just playing full vers gear because of how bad it is.
por qué no podría usar s1 para pvp, s2 M+ y s3 para mi equipo de raid. La primera temporada de DF es perfecta para pvp porque aumenta daño directamente de mis habilidades base, la s2 potencia el aoe perfecta para M+ y la s3 dependes del talento Expurgación que incomoda en el pvp por el CC. O si quieren que la s4 sea ultra turbo, agregar capas al tier y poder escoger llevar 4p de uno y 2p de otro
If they were to poop a PvP talent that makes BoJ apply Expurgation and Wake of Ashes Truth’s Wake, or just make Expurg baseline passive, and remove the PvP coeff from the 2 set, it would actually be as strong as S2 set if not stronger.
I was using a hypothetical, but I get that sometimes pvpers have a hard time with those.
I understand the S2 set is better for pvp, it is however, a significant DPS loss in pve.
They will not buff the S2 set by enough to make it not a DPS loss in pve, therefore it’s a non-starter. You pointing out that they’ll buff it does nothing to address the arguments being made.
You could instead, argue in favor of a change in pvp talents to make it so how applies the judgement debuff.
That way you aren’t advocating to make the spec significantly worse.
it would not, and im not even trying to bash you for this, because you are 100% seeing this thru a pve lense and ic that. expurgation is an extra global, pressing judgement is an extra global, the 2set realistically on a burst window even unnerfed wouldnt do as much as 3-4 guaranteed crit hammers that you can get off in that window from range. yes u can still press hammer with the other 2 set, but then u are completely ignoring the S3 tier set, but still using extra globals for judgement debuff OR ur weaving it in and ruining ur burst window with extra globals, either way ur doing less burst in a window of time. Your thinking mostly overall dmg, which MIGHT be true, but thats not where ret gets its kills.
Our current tier literally doesn’t work for PvP, season 2 does. You can dispel Expurgation and then it goes entirely to waste.
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i legit called out the use of a hypothetical that has no place in the current argument. i guess sometimes pvers have trouble with comprehension or how to form a proper argument.
your entire argument is
“S2 is a dps loss because i dont trust blizzard to buff it like they said they would”, you do not dislike the S2 set, u do not care which set u get, the entire thing for you is what produces highest dps parse for the current bottom tier dps spec.<–called you out for that legit 5 posts ago… i am not advocating for the spec to be significantly worse, you are tho, ur actively trying to pick numbers over play style to still be yet again THE BOTTOM DPS SPEC. u getting S3 is not going to change that… atleast if u get S2 and it doesnt get buffed as much as u would like, ur getting a more fun version of ret that will see overall buffs to compensate.
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fun fact, season 1 is better for pvp than season 2. so yall are fighting for something thats worse in all aspects in the game. you can tell the amount of people who rerolled to in aberrus
There isn’t a huge incentive to burn dispels on something that can be applied near constantly and can be made to cleave.
But otherwise the quoted example assumed a baseline expurgation (or a PvP shoehorned one) + set damage changes, among other things.
So yes, this set clearly doesn’t work as is ‘right now’, that wasn’t an argument I made.
I agree with you entirely, people should be voting for what the most fun tier set was, in all content, regardless of tuning, not only because they said they are committed to tuning the chosen tier set, but also because on a Fated season, fun is the #1 factor that should count since it’s recycled content. Season 2 set is the right pick!
(However, it’s probably copium to think they will buff our tier set correctly. We will probably be at the bottom regardless of tier.)
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