listen plug in a second battery, dont overload that last brain cell trying to grasp this concept im about to explain. Even if S3 did more overall dmg, S2 would still be better in pvp, because of the mechanical change and how it affects rets playstyle. so i dont need finish values for my arguement, YOU DO.
ah yes, if it buffed your final verdict by 200% it would be worse, sure
Politely agree to disagree. Splash damage and repeat spenders will always be more enjoyable for me personally. So in pve content we lose out for pvp reasons, again. I’m also getting screwed in SoD for pvp reasons. We really just need separate systems for pve and pvp at this point.
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your entire argument boils down to, i dont trust blizzard, so vote on old values that cant be sim’d accurately.
Vote S2…
i stg.
yes cause certain tier for certain specs were always above the 10% mark huh? 
there was never a tierset that buffed a spec by 2% right? therewasandthosetierswereneverfixed
again you keep to pvp and ill keep to pve. you think max is the best pver in the game so you clearly arnt qualified to talk about pve like how im not qualified to talk about pvp so stop spreading misinfo about pve cause you like the visual of aoe how
if S3 tier buffed FV by 200% it would be nerfed in pvp AND pve within a day, get out of here with these non-arguments.
quote me saying that. im waiting. making stuff up gets you nowhere in convincing people that read these convos.
yes and its a good argument, because blizzard has a track record with ret. if we sim the values increased by 200% btw, its stil lweaker than current season 3. not by much but still 1ish% behind and alot % behind in aoe cause how target cap.
not believing in tools is also very sus
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i wonder what this is implying hmmmmge, if you think max is good in any pve content and not a hack who was forced to retire for reasons beyond his nword usage in mythic g uldan then i have bad news for you
ultimately there is no point continuing this conversation. its clear nothing will be done. so again i ask, keep your points to pvp and stop talkign about a gamemode content you know nothing about. especially on a character that only completed normal vault up to broodmommy and only challenger 1 in 2s arena
its implying the what is he raid lead of method? is a more high end pver that i can actually name, maximum retired? the guy who participated in the most recent race? are we thinking about different people? or did he just stream the thing. if getting world 2nd fyrakk mythic doesnt make you a good pver what does? again, never said he was the best and what i said doesnt even imply that he is, that is your own assumptions.
lets move the goal post then i guess, also no max didnt participate in methods fyrakk kill and theyre world 3rd. again you cant even get your own arguments for pve right
My bad i meant Liquid not method, And he did participate.
again, you dont know what your talking about because you have done 0 keys this season and your best raid achievement is brood mother normal vault.
your pvp is also in question because yo uare 1500. so again we indulged this farce long enough. post on your main to back up your pvp achievements or im just gonna perma assume your here to sabotage ret paladin for all content with yoru s2 choice and endorsement of s2
post main or ill find it
dont really care what toon i post on, again they are all connected too this account your more then welcome to check-pvp me will show all my toons u can see CR’s and take my pallys name and plug it into warcraftlogs for raid/M+ stuff (21xx in Soloq on ret right now, and 2600 in M+ and havent Q’d soloQ since week 2 of this patch).
your last atoc was Sylvanus windrunner
sure, it was. With the heroic kill i do every week on my ret for leggo to use in pvp.
your last m+ achievement is hero 750 rating s1
you are aware that feats of strengths are account wide. right? so again. why are you lying about pve when youve done non of it on any character this expansion
Mate as I have said I feel you on the pvp side, but the S2 cannot be tuned to the value of S3 in pvE. For it to match the S3 in aoe would need to waaaay overperform in ST to even come close in AOE, which blizzard wont do for sure. Yea in ST it is easy to tune it to the same level, tho it may result in HoW spamming over spenders if they are not careful.
you must be blind than, cause the first thing i see when i click “feats of strength” is dragonflight season 3 master 11/14/2023. look how quiet it got, this 1 braincell 1 battery new born probably actually went looking for an acheivement titled with Aotc spelled out, when dragonflight season 3 master was right in his face.
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why do you gotta lie? there is no point lying. this is all public infomation.
either blizzard has a bad coded website or it hasnt “updated” to show your “s2 m+ achievement” either. so go ahead??? insult a person when feats of strengths are account wide and will show no matter what character your on
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