It’s still the highest ILVL 2hander you can get, even if the on use is deactivated in PVP or made useless, they will consider its increases stats/weap damage to balance you.
From their point of view the axe isn’t “hard” to get, it just takes time/resources that you can farm.
And realistically they are right, it’s the most accessible legendary of this kind they ever made.
That’s what it’s gonna be.
Tell them you don’t like it, but they won’t change it this time around, they might consider it in the future which is why it’s important to tell them that it doesn’t feel right.
But at this point and knowing all this, if you still don’t want to take even 20min to do LFR because of some principle that you shouldn’t have to, you’re really the one shooting yourself in foot.
It’s been laid out as to how it’s gonna work, you have to navigate those parameters or gimp yourself.
You decide.
Or not play at all, which would be a fair response to this I believe.
Completely anecdotal evidence Ive only encountered one warrior with the legendary and he went 1-5 with somewhat normal damage.
I am queueing lfr every week just in case the stat gain is worth the versatility AND MASTERY loss but I just hope it gets nerfed to the point is not needed like the hunter bow
President of what, poor choices? If you are picking S2 for PVP purposes only you will be sadly disappointed, the only thing that will help Ret in PVP is multiple nerf rollbacks. The set won’t do enough damage to counter horrible scaling and compounding nerfs to abilities in PVP.
ignore renae, doesnt have a clue what he is talking about, pve kids never do, to them its a spread sheet, and its impossible to get thru to them that in pvp its not that simple.
I got the max level pvp Two-hander week one. My concern is not that the two hander from the raid is impossible to get or even too expensive. My concern is the rest of the numbers that decide if my spec is pvp viable has been tuned down as ownership and use of the lego is expected…
But with that comes the concern that if it’s not extremely nerfed in pvp, this pve weapon becomes mandatory in pvp BUT its on use effect will be interupted through crowd control, or Ret was designed to be weak without the axe in all content because the axe lego exists without taking into account that it is rendered usless in pvp though pvp nerfs AND interupts.
Tuning Ret to be bad in pvp and everywhere else without the lego but keeping it bad with the lego in pvp was a long list of bad decisions.
Why not fix all the concerns? Yeah there are several. I feel they all deserve attention and actions. Ingnoring some problems because others exist is politician behavior, we should do better.
S3s 4 set is a 25% FV echo, S1 is just a flat damage 10% increase to FV, and S2 increases the Judgment amp for FV, so it’s damage is not as consistent as 3 or 2, and doesn’t exist if you don’t have Judgment debuff.
Lol it’s because they have delusional people like Vanguards telling them S2 is the only choice for PVP. When even in PVP S2 is just a minor damage increase.
Dude… it changes the damage profile of the spec entirely. In pvp is not just what set gave us higher dps. Because in pvp on demmand burst is a much better and useful thing over long sustained damage. Ret doesnt have the tools (high cc, mortal wound) to play the long dampening game with sustained damage… dampening is huge againet us.
Right now we rely in the big long crusade window to kill someone. 30seconds plus spamming fully buffed spenders into ES hoping it hits then with over 200k god willing.
S2 set allowed to play avengin wrath might with high HoW uptime and even final reckoning. A fully ranged ret spamming big hammers and judgements every 1min with stronger spenders is a very favorable damage profile for pvp… compared to using ES on cd and hoping all ghe baby hits you threw out amount to a somewhat good ES hit.
You are delusional. I still almost cast HoW as much as I did in S2, and even if you say well that’s PVE, you still have a limited amount of times you can push Hammer of Wrath in PVP.
You are confusing reality with delusions, Rets current state in PVP has NOTHING to do with tier sets and is entirely related to POOR BALANCING, it has a crazy amount of nerfs on top of its abilities and it SCALES HORRIBLY in any form of content and you are stacking the 2 WORST STATS for scaling as Ret in PVP.
as i told the other guy, just ignore Renae, he has no idea what he is talking about
he legit will never understand or grasp the fact that those limited windows are Ret’s kill windows in pvp and having HoW not only buffed up for them, but applying judgement is huge for those windows to produce the highest result in the shortest amount of time. there is no point aruging with someone who has no sense or reason.
S2 bonus is boring and doesn’t affect your rotation, but s3 is actually impactful on gameplay. I’m fine with either, but trusting Blizzard to buff the S2 bonus to be the power of S3 bonus is crazy considering their history, as well as current Ret tuning.
No, you simply can’t do math. My Hammer of Wrath hits the PVP dummy for an average of 77k, you can only throw 6 in the duration of AW, if I am generous and give you 15% damage on top of that, it’s only 66k extra damage per use of AW. You are absolutely BONKERS to think that is some kind of amazing difference. Even if you doubled or tripled it, its just not much damage. The Judgment debuff bonus is negligible, if 50% PVP nerf on tier stands that’s less than 8% damage which is laughable in PVP when your FV needs a miracle to break 200k.
You have to be confused, looking back at Hammer of Wrath damage thinking it was just AMAZING but somehow forgetting it was cleaving.
Expurgation does 3.4k DPS, if you keep it up for the full 23 seconds of wings it does 78k damage which is MORE than Hammer of Wrath could do.