Retail gameplay has absolutely corrupted dungeon mentality

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I was struggling with AoE/multiple mob pull threat as well early on. THEN I started reading about battle shout’s threat gen capability.

Posting on my retail character to say…

Battle Shout - moving on

Started a thread on Battle Shout, got too involved, realized I didn’t really have that much time to validly spend on these arguments any more. So I’m just going to summarize, then move on. Upshot: -I think Battle Shout causes too much threat, and with too long a range. The current mechanic as of end of vanilla was 55 threat per target buffed, including pets, divided by number of mobs. Also, it did not matter where the mobs were so long as the buffed targets were on the mob’s list. -This wo…

Nerf Battleshout Spam

I’ve ranted about this on multiple threads, thought I’d start a new topic, hey it beats the 100th layering thread. NOTE: I wasn’t in the Beta, looked at beta forum and didn’t see anything immediately relevant. If this has already been fixed, I’ll be glad to withdraw. Background: I was in a raid guild that took a while to get itself organized. We got our first shot at Nefarian the night before the 2.0.1 patch. The hard part was supposedly phase 1 when a bunch of draconid adds ran in, more th…

Looks like I was pretty much right. Battle Shout does enable the garbage strategy of AoEing dungeons, Blizz didn’t fix it, people are aware of it now, so now people really seriously think this is how you clear dungeons in Classic. And… it IS! If something as stupidly broken as Battle Shout spam is left in the game, then OF COURSE it’s the way to go.

There ARE NO “AOE pulls” in Classic. There are at absolute most 5 elite mobs in a pull, usually far less. The intended approach is that you take on these mobs one at a time unless you ludicrously outlevel/outgear the dungeon. That’s why every class has some form of CC and only a couple have AoE damage. The dps is supposed to go “durrrrrr attack the mob the tank is attacking”. Or if you’re really sophisticated, “durrr attack the mob the main assist is attacking”. And with raid markers, which didn’t exist for the majority of vanilla, “durrr attack the one with the skull” (which is the one the tank is sundering). As you get closer to outlevelling the dungeon, you do more cleaving etc, but the idea that the normal approach is just to blindly run in and spam AoEs started in Wrath.

So fine. Now that this tactic that Blizz promptly fixed as soon as it was widely known, but since that wasn’t till the 2.0 patch, is in the game because #nochanges, dungeons in Classic are now AoE jokes just like retail. Guess maybe if they make Classic BC? There’ll be a brief shining moment where dungeons aren’t jokes again? Where CC actually gets used? Where what the trash mobs can do actually is something you need to think about?

I’m not going to bat everybody’s points back over the volleyball net on this. If people want to pretend that AoEing elites was common in vanilla they are free to do so. I think it’s more along the lines of people don’t really care if dungeons are AoE jokes, since that’s not what they miss from Classic (or they never played vanilla and never played a dungeon that wasn’t an AoE joke). It so happens to be the main thing I miss.