Outside of bubble, no they don’t
Plate, shields, personal dispel, three ways to reset a fight between bubble, LoH, and stun, has an instant heal, a guaranteed heal crit, 35% pushback resist.
Are you trolling?
Ret pals were a meme dps class for a very long time. Now they are top tier in current wrath and doing good in sod. I think they should be buffed some more for blizzard having to make us wait this long to get rets at thie point. 20% buff increase minimum.
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If I don’t have bubble up, I die in a single stun
You can be healed through significantly more than other classes.
I have no charge or intercept to get immediately to someone to create uptime.
You run faster than everyone else with pursuit of justice?
I don’t have stealth to sneak into the backline. I can’t frost shock a target and rush them. I can’t drop grounding to eat spell damage.
You wear plate?
Paladins have to take everything to the face and cannot get into range without one of their two 1 minute cooldowns.
Plate and run faster?
You don’t seem to realize the reason why you don’t have all of these abilities that keep clothies alive from melee.
The whiny ret paladins seem to have silenced me and hidden my post
SAD
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Much like in game as in RL, it always seems to end with a ret paladin player failing miserably.
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indeed they ran out of arguments so they resorted to silencing me
It’s probably more likely that you’re an idiot.
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You just listed a bunch of stuff that is mutually exclusive or not available.
We dont have cleanse this phase (so no dispel other than poison)
People constantly have to remind you LOH is a 1 hour CD so once per BG at best.
Bubble is on a 5 minute cooldown.
Almost any class can stun, you even have EZ-Thro bombs that stun.
No we dont have an instant heal, flash of light AND holy light are casts. Holy Shock is DEEP Holy so you’re fighting a shockadin/healer at that point. Also its on a massive 30 sec cooldown and heals as much as flash of light.
Guaranteed heal crit?!?! Maybe if you’re deep Holy, which means you’re not spec’d for ANY kind of Damage. And shockadin is a meme spec that doenst do nearly enough damage is PvP to be viable.
Shields??? Really?! You want me to switch my 2h for a shield and completely ditch my Damage? Cause you know 2h melee classes practically rely on high weapon damage. Why pedulum of doom costs over 2500g
Its like you specifically look for the dumbest points to make about paladin. PLEASE present me with a REAL complaint. Or better yet GO ACTUALLY PLAY THE CLASS IN SOD. Since you clearly seem to know NOTHING about the class in classic SoD or how it plays or its strengths/weaknesses.
Seriously people lose to a class and then complain about it on the forums without even understanding the pros and cons of playing such a class.
On one hand you claim paladins are too OP and then on the other hand the same players are saying “oh well you’re just bad at PvP” anytime someone refutes their argumemts.
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Warlock OP making a thread about ret paladins and acting like ret pallys killing with bubble is any different than sack. Can’t wait for warlocks to a level 70 class at 60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKq_XutECIY
What good is plate when they keep giving all the melee attacks that bypass armor?
So because someone can wear a shield they are the most defensive? I guess warriors and shaman are hyper defensive too. Next bad argument please!
What ways are paladins resetting the fight LOL??? Bubble is not a “reset”. Even if the paladin uses his bubble to heal himself, he still spent all his mana and has his cooldowns still running. A reset is what a mage or a rogue can do, creating a long period where the fight drops so they can fully recover and allow their cooldowns to reset and their DR to go off. Paladin doesn’t do this even with self healing.
A ONE HOUR COOLDOWN.
Oh no… the paladin has a single 1 minute cooldown stun. Call the presses.
Holy shock? LOL… HAHAHAHAHAHAHA… you’re insane!
If they are speced into it, on a cooldown. Ret won’t have access to that.
It’s actually 100% when you’re talking about healing. But all healers have that. Priests have multiple forms of pushback resist. Shaman have it too. They all get pushback resist. Are we just naming things the paladin has and throwing up our hands as if these are generic states that all other classes are in too? Paladins are the most defensive because they have “35%” pushback resist as a melee/healer hybrid, but the 70% standard that all healers get is what? Not that important? Make it make sense.
What? Why? Because I wear plate? In some slots? Meta warlocks have more armor reduction. Warriors also can wear plate. Shadow Priests have plate levels of physical damage reduction, and the highest portion of damage done in BGs is spell damage, so good for my plate armor I guess…
Incorrect. I run at the SAME speed as everyone else. Pursuit is 8% non-stacking. AB boots and minor speed have the same effect. Also sure, let me RUN AT THE PERSON with 8% speed, I am sure the 5 seconds it takes me to close the distance won’t have any impact on the casters nuking me from orbit or anything.
What does that have to do with anything??? What is plate going to do against the backline casters and how is that going to let me close the distance?
PLATE DOES NOTHING AGAINST CASTERS AND ENHANCEMENT SHAMAN. PLATE IS BASICALLY MID TIER DAMAGE REDUCTION. YOU ARE MAKING REALLY DUMB ARGUMENTS. AND PALADINS RUN THE SAME SPEED AS EVERYONE ELSE, GET A BOOT ENCHANT AND STOP SUCKING.
Eh… that costs so much because it’s one of the rarest items in the game and extra hard to farm. It’s good, but like not so much as to be that high.
Is ret pally just the most entitled spec of players across the board? Asking a snare in one post, divine steed in another, asking for windfury to be tied to sanc aura, complaining about their single target damage when they essentialy have the best cleave in the game. Like for real you cant be the best at everything. Classes have strengths and weaknesses. Paladins have plenty of strengths, stop complaining about every single thing. For real the op had 30 hearts on this post and it still got flagged by all the butt hurt rets
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Another forum troll with no arguments outside of ad hominems
enjoy your forum vacay buckaroo
People ask for things all the time. Rogues are begging for Cloak, Shaman of all people are still asking for more. What does that have to do with anything?
Paladins do NOT have the best cleave in the game. What are you even on? Rogues have the best cooldown based cleave in the entire game, and shadow priests + warriors have the best cleave without using a cooldown. Ret can’t even spec for consecration yet.
The title of this thread is “Ret Paladns are overpowered” and you blame the RET PALADINS for complaining too much?
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They absolutely have the best sustained cleave in the game. Everyone else needs major cds. And i think you dont know the difference between cleave and aoe. Cleave is 2-5 targets aoe is anything over 5 which is what abilities like concecrate would fall under. And yes other classes ask for things but not like rets.i see a ton more posts from rets asking for things than anyone else. Rets want everything and to have no weakness its annoying
Aw sweet a schizo post.
Are the “rets” in the room with you now?
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HOW? How do they have the best sustained cleave in the game? Warriors literally HAVE CLEAVE. Like the term is named after the ability warriors have.
Cleave is 2 targets. Anything over 2 targets is considered to be AOE. The reason for this is that the mechanic is named after the ability CLEAVE that warriors have, which hits 1 additional targets. Anything higher than 2 targets is not cleave. Cleave also means to divide. Hence the “in half” nature of two target damage.
So what is the best cleave? because they have Divine Storm? 110% weapon damage every 10 seconds? That makes them the best cleave? Not Whirlwind, Cleave, Sweeping Strikes? Not Shared pain multi-dot? Want to know where paladins show up on the cleave fight in Gnomer? 1438 is the BEST paladin dps for that fight compared to all classes.
Warrior shows up at position 6.
Enhancement shaman show up at 227.
The numbers don’t lie. You are wrong.
You literally JUST saw the root post because it was on the top. You are insane.
Rets have some of the BIGGEST and MOST OBVIOUS weaknesses in this entire game… you are a fool.
I think how stupid far spriests will go to defend their broken class with complete shock is a testament to why they need to be nerfed first.
Not sure why OP post got flagged. Paladins are indeed S tier in PvP right now and anyone denying that plays alliance.
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I agree.
Give us
Rune of Divinity: Divine Shield is now a passive and no longer an ability that increases seal duration by 500% no longer consumed by Judgement and is considered a physical buff. In addition, your health is increased by 30%, 6% crit reduction, 10% damage reduction, 30% movement speed. Your auto attacks also apply a 30% slow effect for 10 seconds, stacking up to 3 times and Sanctity Aura now applies windfury (Divine Strikes) to you and your party.
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