Ret paladin viability

Theloras-llane · February 28, 2019, 10:00pm

Arkadian - your “knowledge” of Vanilla WoW has been proven to be lacking at the best of times on these forums - let alone the fact that you have never played on any private server.

Please stop posting about things that you quite literally have no experience in.

Akaidian-earthen-ring · February 28, 2019, 10:01pm

Bruh you just proved your best-case real world worth was 1151 dps and I’m asking, since there are plenty of dps that exceed that 1150, it seems perfectly reasonable to compare it.

Theloras-llane · February 28, 2019, 10:02pm

yea and they don’t bring another Blessing, Aura, Cleanse, DI, pocket heals etc…

Loial-shadowsong · February 28, 2019, 10:03pm

Leeloo Kingsfall+Death’s Sting+Edgemaster’s double dagger Fury Warrior DPS POGCHAMP.

You’re taking me back to some legit nostalgia and it’s a private server. God I love Vanilla.

Akaidian-earthen-ring · February 28, 2019, 10:03pm

None of that would be needed in a proper raid. Healers and holy paladins can cover anything a ret needs to do easily.

Theloras-llane · February 28, 2019, 10:04pm

and thats not even a best case scenario lol - they didnt even have world buffs - that was from over a year ago

holy Paladins swing Nightfall?

Boomsky-moonrunner · February 28, 2019, 10:04pm

Totem twisting isn’t the same as seal twisting though. Totem twisting is doable because WF totem applies a 10s buff. Seal twisting is doable because the servers are laggy enough that you can make them believe that you have both seals up at the same time.

FD+trap isn’t an exploit either.

Vanish coming with an immunity window is not an exploit either.

Theloras is still making false equivalence and arguing with the definition of the word exploit.

Theloras-llane · February 28, 2019, 10:05pm

ZOMG totem twisting was NOT INTENDED

and YOU KNOW THAT

Seal Twisting is possible not due to server lag but due to seal of command having a 0.5 sec delay

[Patch 1.11.0]
(20-Jun-2006):

Clarified tooltip.
Seal of Command critical hits can now trigger Vengeance.
Since Patch 1.11, Seal of Command proc will have approximately 0.5 second delay before the animation begins and the Holy damage is incurred, instead of having the proc occur instantly with the swing of the attack. This is considered a good change, since if the normal swing is a critical strike and [Vengeance] is triggered, the Seal of Command proc will be affected by the buff.
https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Seal_of_Command_(old)

Boomsky-moonrunner · February 28, 2019, 10:10pm

I fail to see how totem twisting is relevant to the discussion since it was nothing but a bad example used by another poster.

And spam sitting to abuse server lag is still a thing.

Love how you keep using fallacies to back up your ramblings.

Akaidian-earthen-ring · February 28, 2019, 10:10pm

Akaidian: Does example with basically all mages and a ret showing that nightfall is maybe very slightly better

Theoras: “BuT ThAtS nOt ReAl WoRLd”
Theoras: presents real world example from private server of one of the best guilds they have on the literal patchwork that shows his worth is 1151

Akaidian: “And what happens if you bring someone who does more than 1100 dps? There are people in that raid who are doing more than that, so it’s obviously possible.”

Theloras: “OmG N0ob StOp PoSTing AbOuT ThinGS YOu DOnt KNW!” has no logical argument to answer the very realistic hypothetical that challenges his self-admitted worth

Theloras-llane · February 28, 2019, 10:11pm

you guys can’t handle your own arguments thrown back at you

totem twisting wasn’t the design INTENT - you were only supposed to have one of each kind of totem active at the same time - same with Paladin Seals

but low and behold creative players found ways to go and produce different end results

Theloras-llane · February 28, 2019, 10:12pm

cuz you have zero experience playing either in vanilla or a private server - your contribution to this or any other discussion has quite literally been less than zero

even when you think you do make a logical point, 10 different players tell you that you are completely wrong

you’re a joke

but hey go play retail and wipe on mythic till you and your guild GET IT JUST RIGHT

Akaidian-earthen-ring · February 28, 2019, 10:13pm

Dude I used your own numbers, so if my question of “what if” is a joke, then your numbers are as well.

Theloras-llane · February 28, 2019, 10:14pm

no cuz one of the biggest LOLRET guys around is Ayeri from Coalition - and he not only backed up my math he’s also the one who wrote the Nightfall macro to track total debuff uptime

Boomsky-moonrunner · February 28, 2019, 10:14pm

Totem twisting doesn’t abuse server lag like spam sitting does last I checked. Keep up with your fallacies buddy.

Theloras-llane · February 28, 2019, 10:15pm

goes against DESIGN INTENT according to Priapis lol

Williams-akama · February 28, 2019, 10:16pm

Ah ok, I thought the paladin mechanic was the same as shaman totems only local instead of remote like the totem.

Remembering that wrong, but I do believe it’s par for the course on a lot of this stuff, and exactly why I directly cite that the private servers cannot be truly accurate because our memories and the data collected is not first hand and poorly cataloged and collected in suspect ways.

Theloras-llane · February 28, 2019, 10:17pm

Seal Twisting is not different as SoC has a built in designed 0.5 second window in which it remains queued allowing you to cast another Seal before it goes off.

This was put in during patch 1.11 and was there all along

Akaidian-earthen-ring · February 28, 2019, 10:17pm

Then answer the damn question. Your numbers say you’re worth 1150 dps. Is it not better to bring someone who does MORE than 1150 dps?

Boomsky-moonrunner · February 28, 2019, 10:18pm

The guy you’re replying to has played vanilla though.

[citation needed]. You on 10 alts doesn’t count as 10 players.