I have, and no, we never had that problem as I’m always in the top guild(s) on a server. I never bothered looking to join anything else as soon as WOTLK hit and I could finally raid freely instead of “we don’t need anymore than our 1 token ret we already have.”
I’m not concerned with the trifles of the normal community. I specifically am talking about avoiding the normal community because I know how that goes. Most of the normal wow raiding community of live can’t even clear heroic. In the past, only 30% of the RAID community (which is small as you said) even accomplished AOTC, which is pathetic IMO.
To that end, I can effectively disregard the need to even acknowledge the existence of “reliable, but bad” players.
Well, enjoy having 12 warriors, 8 rogues, 10 mages, and 10 priests. We’ll see how far that gets you.
One fight you need 10 healers. next fight you need 3. When did you ever need 15? Having someone up front to keep the judgements from fading is nice too, wack refresh yes? If you look at the dps numbers people were pulling back then, getting 7-800 on a warrior or rogue was top tier. On those fights a paladin could pull 500+. It was not a big loss for a gain in adaptability a pure class could never attain.
We’ve covered this before, You’ve never been in a top guild.Ever.Unless you count what I’d call the average frostmourne guild which makes the servers you’ve played on terrible.
And this proves you’ve never been an officer in a successful raid guild.The only guilds that actually get to be choosy are the best which your raid history doesn’t back up.
10% less damage taken from fire/shadow/frost is substantial.
Mana and health regen are substantial.
An extra dispel when the entire raid is feared subtantial.
Stopping a dragon from spinning around and breathing on your raid thanks to epeening idiot fury warrior is substantial.
Having someone able to heal when the attendance boss strikes is substantial.
And yes having 5 extra bodies pulling 500 dps is substantial.
In otherwords you’re an idiot NOT to take someone regardless of their spec if the difference between 35 and 40 players comes into the mix.
Yeap,can see that guild imploding over loot so fast it would be hilarious.
well thats provided they make it past magmadar.
-no tranqs.
-no CoE/CoS
-no shaman buffs/pally buffs.
-No resistance aura’s.
-No mixed sources of spell damage.
-No BR’s
-No regen for the healers/casters.
Well who else is it going to go to?
Rogues? Can’t use it.
Warriors? If you want them to suddenly have aspirations of dropping raid to farm rank 14.
HUnters? yeap all that meelee damage going to waste as a stat stick.
Pally healers? See warriors and hunters.
Tanks? See above + speeding up their farming is “nice” but you’ve jsut added 100g per farming session that they have to farm ontop of the rest of their stuff.
Grats Loial for taking one for the team and saving people from themselves.
Wow. You’re a real ray of sunshine. Not sure why you’re so afraid of straying from min/max.
I hope you realize the reason why guilds used math blah blah blah. It was because they didn’t have the skill or ability to do it any other way, and they were afraid of failure if they didn’t.
I’m not saying you don’t, I just think you should focus on the game and having fun instead of obsessing over “math” like dps, when dps really didn’t matter as much as “standing in the fire.”
So you would rather add a hunter who autoshot afks in a raid and does less dps than a ret pally who is actively dpsing, providing buffs when needed, bubbling any who need it, throwing out heals and cleanses?
Incorrect. The best guilds on even severely underachieving servers still get to cherry pick their players on that server. Also I’ve covered the “average good guild” as being the delineation for being picky, not just this delusion of “must be top 1% of 1%, world first pushing guild.”
Where do you think I got it? We poached freely all xpac. That’s how I even got into the guild after proving myself with my previous guild in ulduar. We had the cream of the crop for our little slice of wow.
Classic will be no different. The top 1-2 guilds on any server, or top 10-20 if they do mega servers, will get free pick of everyone after proving they’re top for 1 tier. Those are the only guilds worth being in. They’re the only ones that will clear content before the next piece comes out.
I can’t stress how important it is to get in front of the curve and ride that wave. Fall behind, and you get left with cruft players.
Nope, I’d rather add a good hunter who does his job and beats the ret in every raid like is entirely possible and reasonable to expect.
If your raid is good enough, you either 1) won’t need those “zomg save me” utilities, or 2) will be able to recover normally without them ever being used regardless. The number of cases that realistically arise where a careful LoH/BOP completely saves a raid wipe and enables a kill that otherwise would not have happened is effectively 0.
Again, even with the number of times I’ve bopped a healer at 5% hp, or LOH’d a tank at same HP, etc, I still can’t guarantee it enabled us to get victory or that we otherwise wouldn’t have compensated somehow. Things are rarely so close that a few tenths make a difference. We either execute mechanics successfully and far succeed the DPS requirements or we mess something up and it’s just a wipe. Besides that, I don’t particularly value avoiding a wipe more than I value people getting their heads screwed on and doing things right.
I’m less concerned with “downing the boss above all else” and more concerned with being good at what I’m doing relative to the people pushing for the same goals I am, as well as the people I’m immediately playing with not holding me back.
If, in your own words, “things are rarely so close that a few tenths make a difference.”, how likely is it really that having a hybrid (or even two or three hybrids) DPS’ing will “hold you back”?
You do understand you just can’t hit those numbers without a certain amount of hybrids in the raid and that you can’t be taking them all as healers right?
Besides the point; it’s the mentality it takes for someone to want to be brought along, knowing they’re defacto weaker that I can’t stand. If it were only 5-10% spread like classes today, i’d be fine with whoever has the most skill coming, because that would make more difference. However, we’re talking a wasted slot because it is 50% or less of what I could get out of someone else.
Interesting. I don’t see any DPS spec hybrids in basically any of the top ranked parses for any of the guilds/runs I’m looking at for basically any boss on legacy logs. I’m sure you’re right, though. All those logs are bogus.
Ah, yes. The stereotypical retail “anything less than completely optimized, min/maxed and most OP class” is useless garbage and a “wasted slot” mindset.
Sounds about right from someone who wants to be able to skip the parts of the game with which they do not want to be bothered.
You mean the speed runs which are not indicitive of actual progression raiding right? Where they’re chain chugging cleansing pots instead of taking dispellers etc? Or killing rags with naxx gear?
Or, you know, the entire elitist pserver community as well. Some people really favor well-oiled machines over something akin to D&D night with the friends. Video games like wow are about beating stuff and people. RP literally need not apply.