Ret paladin viability

[Zeliek-moon-guard (Zeliek)]

Akaidian: Does example with basically all mages and a ret showing that nightfall is maybe very slightly better

Theoras: “BuT ThAtS nOt ReAl WoRLd”
Theoras: presents real world example from private server of one of the best guilds they have on the literal patchwork that shows his worth is 1151

Akaidian: "And what happens if you bring someone who does more than 1100 dps? There are people in that raid who are doing more than that, so it’s obviously possible."

Theloras: “OmG N0ob StOp PoSTing AbOuT ThinGS YOu DOnt KNW!” has no logical argument to answer the very realistic hypothetical that challenges his self-admitted worth

You end up with your other high dpsers without equivalent gear because you are too busy trying to gear a combo of 25 dps mages, rogues, and warriors some how from your progression raids?

I have no idea how the math will turn out ahead of time, but I’m enjoying the premise, so here it goes…

Let’s assume a case of 20 mages all doing 1k dps. generous for the argument.

Nightfall = 15%, ret swinging = ~4%
.15 * .4 = .06

20 * 1.06 = 21.2k + generous ret dps of ~500 = 21.6k dps

21 mages instead is 21k. 21.6k - 21k = Net gain by ret swinging NF with 20 BAMF mages of 600dps.

Math with 60% uptime with hunt and ret:
.15 * .6 = 0.09
19k (one less mage) * 1.09 = 20.71k + ret dps of 500 and hunt dps of 300 = 21.51k

Less than the single ret swinging it and slightly more than the no NF method.

To me, that seems highly unreasonable. Let’s look with a group of half melee. So 10 mages base now.

Ret swinging case:
10k * 1.04 = 10.4k + ret swinging 500 dps = 10.9k

Ret + hunt swinging:
9k * 1.09 = 9.81 + 800k combine ret/hunt dps = 10.61

All bamf mages = 11k

Seems like NF near-meaningless in best case that maximizes it, and meaningless in basically anything less.

19 mages all doing 1k dps without NF with 37% uptime on NF:
19k * 0.15 * 0.37% = 1,054 dps contributed + 500 = 1,554 vs 1k.
Hunter instead with same conditions at 44% uptime on NF:
19k * 0.15 * 0.44% = 1,254 dps contributed + 300 = 1,554 vs 1k.
Hunter and paladin at 65% uptime:
18k * 0.15 * 0.65% = 1,755 dps contributed.
Paladin contributes 802 [1302]
Hunter contributes 953 [1,253]
OT Warrior, Hunter, Paladin at 80% uptime:
18k * 0.15 * 0.80% = 2180 dps contributed.
Paladin adds about 747 [1247]
Hunter adds 888 [1188]
OT warr adds 524

Then you add in the dps they are doing swinging and using abilities. Having at least 1 NF Junky is very appealing. Although, this is based on a 2ppm so numbers may vary.