Rested XP/HardCore Drama

[Drinknblink-benediction]

Saw this today.

Classic Hardcore in a Nutshell

[Woopee-mankrik]

At the very least, it’s definitely why the Wrath-authentic quest helper was never added.

@Jeynar-mannoroth

tinfoil hats have really bad stats.

Acting like this is a tinfoil hat conspiracy is just willful ignorance.

[Jeynar-mannoroth]

@Woopee-mankrik

At the very least, it’s definitely why the Wrath-authentic quest helper was never added.

They literally came out and said this was coming though, so attribute it to incompetence, not tinfoil stories about how an addon that sells 10 guides a week is worth losing customers over.

[Tekks-dathremar (Tekks)]

Then why does the addon have in-built DRM for these guides?

This whole argument is so disingenuous. It’s clear they are providing a paid service for an addon that they made and doing so is against the ToS.

[Jeddite-grobbulus]

very tempted to make a Fruit Elf Hunter on HC

I wont, but it’s very tempting

[Auril-stormrage]

Didn’t aggrend release personal information about the griefers to savix or however you spell his name.

I have zero trust in aggrend.

[Jirukon-earthfury]

Because the the guides cost money. They are guides made for the addon that is free. You want to make your own guides for it, put DRM, and charge money for them? YOU CAN!

There are 9 rules for addons.

1. AddOns must be free of charge.
2. AddOn code must be completely visible.
3. AddOns must not negatively impact World of Warcraft realms or other players.
4. AddOns may not include advertisements.
5. AddOns may not solicit donations.
6. AddOns must not contain offensive or objectionable material.
7. AddOns must abide by World of Warcraft ToU and EULA.
8. Blizzard Entertainment has the right to disable AddOn functionality as it sees fit.
9. AddOns must not re-distribute in-game music and audio files or other copyrighted materials.

Nowhere in these rules does it stat that all contents for an addon must be free. It says the addon itself is to be free.

The addon in question being a tool that shows guides. The guides themselves aren’t an addon.

No one is under any illusion that both Zygor and Rested XP created addons specifically so they can sell their guides for those addons, but claiming that it is against the rules is just entirely false.

You don’t like it so you want it to be rule-breaking, just like those who don’t like GDKP want GDKP to be rule-breaking. It isn’t, so deal with it.

[Tekks-dathremar (Tekks)]

1) Add-ons must be free of charge.
All add-ons must be distributed free of charge. Developers may not create “premium” versions of add-ons with additional for-pay features, charge money to download an add-on, charge for services related to the add-on, or otherwise require some form of monetary compensation to download or access an add-on.

The addon has DRM that restricts access to content unless you pay for that content. The creators of the addon are the same people who make that paid content (hence the DRM).

This is a for-pay feature facilitated by the addon itself and is therefore against the ToS.

[Zoumz-zuljin (Zoumz)]

TSM has been working that way for years and they have done nothing btw.

Streamers also sell weak auras access with a sub to their channels.

[Bearzyy-faerlina]

Nice we are getting close here to what the people want ban all of this.

[Forumcow-barthilas]

RXP will be useless in cata and beyond with the questing revamp

It’s only handy now because of the convoluted classic quest chains and leveling zones where you do 1/2 in 1 zone, go to another and do 1/3 the quests then return and complete the other 1/2, then go back again and do 1/3 again before moving to a new zone where you do 1/5

[Jirukon-earthfury]

@Tekks-dathremar

The addon has DRM that restricts access to content unless you pay for that content. The creators of the addon are the same people who make that paid content (hence the DRM).

This is a for-pay feature facilitated by the addon itself and is therefore against the ToS.

The addon itself has no such thing. You can go on curseforge right now… download it and use it to your hearts content… free of charge.

What the creators did, was create additional guides you have to purchase.

Furthermore you can create and import your own guides if you would like, but you don’t want to do that.

It isn’t against the terms of service. You just don’t like that you can’t have all their guides for free. Despite them developing an addon that you can make your own guides for and use. You don’t want to do the work, nor do you want to pay for their work despite them giving you the addon for free, and some of their guides for free.

It isn’t against the terms of service… no matter how many times you say it is.

If you were to be right and it is against the terms of service then every addon that gets money in any way… which is a good chunk of them also needs to be taken down and removed because they got money in some way.

So let me put it the simplest possible way for you.

The addon cannot be monetized, locked down, or function differently for money.

The things that go in those addons, such a guides, weakauras, TSM money making, etc can all be monetized.

[Aivilove-old-blanchy]

HC is DOA. Absolutely stupid content so let them go for the cash grab off dumb players who won’t complete the road to 60.

[Zoumz-zuljin (Zoumz)]

If they really wanted to they could ban them for it as it’s breaking the essence of the rule and they can decide to ban addons however they want. I just don’t think they care enough.

[Styls-grobbulus]

When Aggrend is part of that circle… no wonder blizzard won’t do anything.

[Jirukon-earthfury]

Yeah, Blizzard can if they want, but guess what they don’t because it isn’t against the rules they set out.

Blizzard has in the past banned addons for breaking those rules, and they shut down due to it. If Blizzard wanted to go after addons that make money in some fashion they would have to go after a hell of a lot of addons. This would inadvertently have a negative impact on them because people would absolutely riot and quit their game due to their addons suddenly all being broken and unusable.

Personally. I’d prefer Blizzard strip all addons from the game in the hope that they can make better choices for the game in the future seeing as they wouldn’t have to take into consideration addon use… Even if that means I’d have to relearn how to heal all over again.

[Zoumz-zuljin (Zoumz)]

I would encourage them to do so and like I said I believe that they’re just using a backdoor to not break the “written rule”. They are breaking the spirit of the law. Personally as a whole I consider TSM automaton, the paid feature is just a script to run.

[Tesalyn-pagle]

@Jirukon-earthfury

The addon does not cost money. The guides do. That is why it isn’t against the ToS.

While it’s true, and I don’t think THAT is against ToS, it probably should be.
Imagine if Details had a free version that would only show Damage Done for top 3 only. Rest was behind paywall.
Or DBM that only had 2-3 call outs, and rest of the features were behind a paywall.
Or take any other big addon, and lock 95% of it behind a paywall.

It’s late. But I will watch the video tomorrow.
But either way I think if Blizzard really wanted to, they could disable certain API segments to make it stop working.

edit: Rules are not set in stone. Original rules probably didn’t account for a paywall, as it’s rather unique to RestedXP and Zygor AFAIK, as I’ve never seen it before. So, rules can and should adapt.

[Woopee-mankrik]

I was seeing stuff about that too, they have direct lines of communication with him and use those lines to gain advantage in game or get people banned.

@Jirukon-earthfury

charging for addons if against the rules. Charging for guides for those addons are not against the rules

Charging for services related to an add-on is also against the rules. How are guides for an add-on not that?

[Despitebeing-incendius]

@Tekks-dathremar

This is a for-pay feature facilitated by the addon itself and is therefore against the ToS.

100% this
It’s an obvious breach of ToS