Remove/lower titans grip dmg reduction penalty : ) from a Non warrior player

[Kevinramage-mankrik]

You only parse against your spec dingus

[Bearhands-faerlina]

He’s posting from a 33 warlock.

Clearly a non-warrior. Checks out.

@Azeyma-benediction

The best warriors are able to pump/parse JUST FINE, the warrior in my guild has all 99s but 1, so if we end up buffing warrior guess what, he’ll be flooring everybody for the rest of wrath.

so no, you DON’T need a buff, you just want the same treatment as feral.

Imagine having this little idea wtf you’re talking about

[Kevinramage-mankrik]

I was amazed really that someone from a really good guild could not understand so deeply

[Bearhands-faerlina]

ARE they really good, lol? I don’t think they’re even top 50 Bene lol

[Azeyma-benediction]

Obviously that’s how parses work, but to ignore the damage he’s doing on fights is just braindead.

@Kevinramage-mankrik

I was amazed really that someone from a really good guild could not understand so deeply

Clearly you don’t understand that a warrior who can play their class correctly can actually do damage, unlike yourself.

[Azeyma-benediction]

@Bearhands-faerlina

He’s posting from a 33 warlock.

You’re also posting from a level 16 druid, so good one.

[Drinknblink-benediction]

Reduce it to 9.9%.

Best I can do.

[Bearhands-faerlina]

@Azeyma-benediction

Obviously that’s how parses work, but to ignore the damage he’s doing on fights is just braindead.

@Kevinramage-mankrik

I was amazed really that someone from a really good guild could not understand so deeply

Clearly you don’t understand that a warrior who can play their class correctly can actually do damage, unlike yourself.

Lol, you’re backtracking. You clearly didn’t understand how parses work and now you’re trying to save face. There’s literally no other explanation for making the statement “The warrior in my guild parses 99’s, so clearly war dps is fine.”

Because if you understood at even a base level how parses work, you’d understand that EVERY CLASS has people that parse 99’s, because that’s how a parse works. It’s a measure of dps relative to other people in your class, and thus tells you absolutely nothing about how a class performs relative to others.

@Azeyma-benediction

Clearly you don’t understand that a warrior who can play their class correctly can actually do damage, unlike yourself.

A smite priest can “do damage.” The point at issue is HOW MUCH DAMAGE relative to other classes.

Seriously bro, those are some 2head takes you’re throwing out here…

@Azeyma-benediction

You’re also posting from a level 16 druid, so good one.

It’s relevant because he’s making claims about his main, while posting from a throw-away character. I’m making no such claims.

Keep trying!

[Azeyma-benediction]

@Bearhands-faerlina

Lol, you’re backtracking. You clearly didn’t understand how parses work and now you’re trying to save face. There’s literally no other explanation for making the statement “The warrior in my guild parses 99’s, so clearly war dps is fine.”

Because if you understood at even a base level how parses work, you’d understand that EVERY CLASS has people that parse 99’s, because that’s how a parse works. It’s a measure of dps relative to other people in your class, and thus tells you absolutely nothing about how a class performs relative to others.

I’ll admit I wasn’t thinking about it when I wrote it, but it’s obvious that’s how parses work. I was also comparing the guild warrior to the warrior in who was mentioning how the buff wouldn’t make them “S+++ tier”

But sure I’ll give up this one.

@Bearhands-faerlina

A smite priest can “do damage.” The point at issue is HOW MUCH DAMAGE relative to other classes.

Clearly, I look at the parse # and his total damage. and all these warriors claiming they need buffs are just false.

@Bearhands-faerlina

You’ve already demonstrated you’re not the brightest bulb in the box but sure… I’ll bite.

I’m well aware I can’t articulate myself well.

[Kevinramage-mankrik]

After a quick glance, Despite being one of your best players he’s only in top 5 on the two fights you’d expect, kolo and XT

Otherwise he’s mid to bottom of the pack despite parsing top 3

[Bearhands-faerlina]

You’re articulating yourself just fine my man. The arguments you’re articulating just aren’t very good.

@Azeyma-benediction

and all these warriors claiming they need buffs are just false

Based on what? One warrior doing mediocre damage in one raid? See above

[Azeyma-benediction]

@Bearhands-faerlina

You’re articulating yourself just fine my man. The arguments you’re articulating just aren’t very good.

fair point, I’ve never been good at getting the points I want to make across.

@Bearhands-faerlina

Based on what? One warrior doing mediocre damage in one raid? See above

Warriors wanting TG penalty removed will be another buff on par if not more egregious than feral druids.

[Bearhands-faerlina]

@Azeyma-benediction

fair point, I’ve never been good at getting the points I want to make across.

Lol my dude. Your ability to present or articulate your arguments is not the problem here. You’re just taking a bad side and no amount of steel-manning is gonna make it better.

@Azeyma-benediction

Warriors wanting TG penalty removed will be another buff on par if not more egregious than feral druids

Fine, then it doesn’t have to be removed entirely. Lowering it would also be a step in the right direction.

[Kevinramage-mankrik]

Your basis for this claim has shown to be faulty

[Azeyma-benediction]

Removing a 10% penalty that has the potential to scale out of control with more powerful weapons, I don’t see how that ISN’T a problem.

[Kevinramage-mankrik]

Scale out of control how? Weapons don’t get infinitely better we know it’s a 1.5 to 2k buff end of game depending if you’re lucky on weapons.

[Tesalyn-pagle]

I just simmed Feral in BIS vs Fury BIS

Practically identical. Can treat 300dps difference as margin of error.
https://ibb.co/ZgnZdLq

https://ibb.co/6wR23cQ

edit: I noticed I didnt change gems for Feral. Add extra 100-200 dps.
There is DPS variation too. Warrs got +/- 500. Ferals got +/-400. Balances it out.

[Kevinramage-mankrik]

@Tesalyn-pagle

q

You really screwed up the feral sim because they are over 17K

[Scarletpimp-arugal]

Looking at your high parsing Warrior that you keep referencing - he’s normally in the bottom half of your raid team even when he gets a 99…

There’s a couple of fights he is top or near top on but other than those he’s normally at the bottom end. He pumps compared to other Warriors but with the exception of a couple of niche fights he ranks low compared to your other dps.

The problem with buffing Warriors though is that the competition is quite narrow. We saw a 10% buff the Feral result in them going from middle to nearly top. So, it doesn’t take much of a buff to really mix up the meta given how close most of the specs are to each other.

Removing the 10% TG debuff would be too much. They shouldn’t be buffing anyone in this phase really.

Fury aren’t “pumping”, and they’re not “doing really well” but there’s not a lot of damage difference between the top middle and the bottom middle. It’s a tight pack. So, Fury enjoyers just need to suck it up and hope they gain some ground next phase.

[Buttersauce-ashkandi]

thats ridiculous, druids already bring to much, and now they bring that dmg. We will get our buffs.