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Blizz didnt put Warriors in the hybrid category for vanilla. They were actually exempt from being classed as one or the other, in that quote you provided.

Im assuming thats because there was crossover to how a warrior plays (melee for both) and it wouldnt make sense for the warrior class to have a casting or ranged spec.

Sure, if you want to be super technical. But is a class that can do melee dps and ranged dps not a hybrid because its just the one role? We know what the definitions are but it doesn’t seem like we need to adhere to it so strictly that we can use it as a basis for class balance changes.

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You never saw anything anywhere about warriors being a hybrid.

Evidence from tbc is not “proof” for vanilla. As roles became much more directly defined due to spec revamps. There are actual “role” options in later expansions. Dungeon finder etc.

In vanilla, a hybrid is able to perform vastly different roles at a decent level. In tbc onward you are a spec and role. Not a hybrid

The proof for vanilla is blizzard stating their definition of hybrid and warriors fitting that bill to a “T”.

And no, hunters are not hybrids. It can do melee and ranged DPS. It’s still not considered a hybrid. That is why melee, ranged, magical, physical, whatever you want to conjure is irrelevant to the definition.

They’re even directly cited as not being hybrids in the content alluded to above.

Their definition of hybrid is centric around “roles”, which have an obtuse meaning behind itself.

If I said melee caster healer, that would be a true claim. As those are distinctly defined.

Now if you want to break it down into semantics, you’ll get tank/dps/heal and if you want to be more annoying you’ll have frost/fire/shadow/ranged physical etx

Desperately trying to pin warrior to hybrid via semantics is cute when everyone clearly knows a shaman paladin Druid can fulfill pretty
Much any role in the game. That’s why people call them hybrids dude

Warriors melee and thats it. Is an arms warrior a tank if he uses mocking blow? When can a warrior heal?

It’s an endless argument that society simplifies into melee caster healer cause nerds like you keep up the argument by repetition to never end.

Warriors are melee. With aggro producing abilities. The semantics would be gearing to do damage, gearing to tank damage, putting on a shield etc. so we could also argue gear swapping constitutes hybriding

An enhance shaman can heal wearing melee dps gear. It can heal wearing elemental gear. It’s a hybrid that can do anything in a split second like druids.

A warrior goes into melee and does melee stuff per the status quo

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Nah its fine. Warriors are hybrids. They’re just not subject to a hybrid tax because the difference between mitigation dps and melee dps isnt big enough of a transition.

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That’s an interesting way to look at it. In a way in tbc a lot of the hybrid classes lost flexibility. In vanilla Ret heavy specs can be amazing healers. Starting in tbc not so much.

It’s a nice personal fantasy but Blizzard outlined what “roles” exist in WoW in Vanilla, explicitly, and what classes fit those roles. They named 3: tanking, damage, and healing.

I really only care about adhering to facts.

Instead you’re laying down a ton of personal opinions and perspective on to it that largely attempts to ignore or discount said facts, stated by the origin creator of the game.

It’s funny how you try to call it semantics. It’s like if someone posted that grass is green and you go “well that’s semantics”. It’s not. It’s verifiable fact. Period.

If a warrior is a hybrid how is it taxed per hybrid quota?

Deep prot sacrifices damage

It’s the correct way to look at it.

The only hybrids to ever exist in wow -period- were vanilla shamans druids paladins.

This dude is just a coping nerd arguing for no reason

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The entire origin of this discussion is that Despitebeing states that Warriors are an exception to the hybrid tax.

Cue a mass of uninformed bridgedwellers arguing about Warrior not being a hybrid.

They do top damage, AND top tanking. Whether it was by design or accident, they were the single exception to the “hybrid tax” that was applied to every other class.

Whether that needs to be “fixed” or not is a different discussion entirely where my position is likely to be #nochanges.

I think it just misses out on damage talents

And deep resto sacrifices on damage, it doesn’t mean Druids aren’t a hybrid.

I will agree.

I don’t think anything should change

If people really cared about lower dps specs they’d adjust the talent trees in classic + or whateve

There are very simple ways to improve them. I might even write up a post representing shaman specs. Idk

I will say though I’m in favor of an option, or some kind of Classic+, where they attempt to balance, fix, add and do interesting things with the classic formula.

As long as it doesn’t taint era, I think that’s a totally fine endeavor.

Yes, you’ll notice though that only one of us is vehemently repeating throughout this exchange that they don’t care.

Projection.

But, wait a minute. I thought you didn’t care??
You’ve devolved this conversation of class design into a series on self-refuting statements.

Its true enough but its not 2005-6 anymore when this would have been relevant. Obviously they weren’t considered hybrids or not enough of a hybrid to tax like one that has to fundamentally alter what they’re doing in order to complete two roles.

So yeah, sure he’s right that they are hybrids but hes wrong that Blizz has to do something about it and the rest of us have to fess up to playing a stupid, broken game otherwise.

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That’s the issue right there

Some era players want a “phase 7 classic+. Now if it turns out to be a disaster product that means era is done forever

Classic+ being its own era would require fresh servers. Just like official HC.

I mean I will concede that it’s stupid and broken but that’s just the way I like it lol

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No, they are not :expressionless:
Please go back to wrath.