Yeah, if they do change anything I would rather they focus on making trash specs usable for another project and leave era alone (except removing buff/debuff)
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I can engage in a topic without some frenzied need to receive external validation. I gave my reasons, you gave yours - you care way more than I do. Warriors being great at two roles doesnt keep me up at night.
What this boils down to is you want class balance changes or at least be validated that there should be even if they never come. I will never agree to that under any circumstances, ever. Vanilla WoW is fine and will always be fine.
Yeah it does because that wasnt the design intention and thats not how it played out when this game was relevant. Its that way now because its an old game that people have had two decades to figure out, is never going to TBC and is never going to undergo class rebalancing.
Its just something we have to live with and again, Im fine with it. I dont see a problem. You have a lot of reasons and justifications for why its a “potential” problem but thats not really the same thing is it?
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we don’t care 1 iota about what devs thought about wrath, mr. lvl 80 
this is about the real version of the game, vanilla.
The real version of the game, what a joke.
They are all real versions, just at different time periods. I play them all, so I can speak from a non closed minded and intentionally ignorant point of view, unlike some.
Didn’t they remove the limit in Hardcore classic
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They did! Though we will see how much raiding gets done lol.
Defined classes is what makes Classic great.
TBC+ you are defined by specs, not classes. That Paladin can tank better than Warriors if he puts points in Protection and the Warrior doesn’t. This waters it down and makes every class feel the same.
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Do you have short term memory loss? Because I posted what Blizzard defined hybrid as in 2004-2006 and it’s the same thing as what Ghostcrawler said…who was the lead systems designer from the very beginning up through to Cata.
Hybrid has nothing to do with melee or ranged or caster or physical.
It’s any class that can cover more than 1 of the 3 roles: tanking, damage, and healing.
How you feel about hybrids or warriors is irrelevant. Blizzard gave us their own definition for the game we are currently discussing so that is the definition that we use in this context.
As has been stated, there’s really no room for discussion here because Blizzard has definitively spoke on this. DEFINITIVELY. You don’t get to change the meaning of hybrid to suit your personal opinion or argument.
Ghostcrawler post was from wrath as was already addressed above.
You may exit stage left unless you’re gonna provide something useful. We’ve already established that design doesn’t work for vanilla, as tbc and wrath classes are completely different
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I posted Blizzards comments from 2004-2006 stating what a hybrid is, you dingus.
I think the discussion here shouldn’t be what is a hybrid. Because that is clear, warriors are a hybrid.
What you should be talking about is “should a hybrid tax exist in vanilla” and that answer is no, because vanilla wasn’t designed with this philosophy in mind.
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Sure, if we want to yell into the bottomless pit
If warriors are hybrids their tax is already implemented.
Prot takes less dmg
Other specs take more
End of discussion. Tax applied
Thank you.
Maybe this guy will read your post and dissappear now
As long as you don’t argue the fact that Warrior is a hybrid. You’ve clearly debated that fact, despite being utterly wrong. I’m correcting you.
Now youre backpedaling.
Beautiful.
Hybrids in vanilla and hybrids in wrath are apples to oranges.
There are shamans that have tanked all raid content up to kt. Nobody considers them a tank still
Priests can smite as holy. Nobody considers them a dps
Just like warriors. They tank and dps. Often at the same time.
Nobody considers warriors hybrids “in vanilla”
The only widely recognized vanilla hybrids are Druid paladin shaman
Cope seethe rage exit stage left noob
Woah woah let’s not get crazy, smite dps is the premier priest spec in the game and the only one worth playing
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What the community “feels” based on what’s viable or meta is irrelevant, genius.
Blizzard defined the conditions. Anything that ticks the boxes meets the conditions and is validly called a hybrid.
Your examples are all elementary-level stupid and show that you are completely out of your league in terms of discussion ability.
When did I argue smite priest is are effective DPS?
When did I argue shamans are effective tanks?
All I’ve said is both are hybrids.
But for real it’s perfectly fine class and game design for warriors to be top damage
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Because the philosophy doesn’t work for vanilla. They changed all classes and specs to fit their intended narrative in tbc and wrath.
You’ve never, not one single time in your life, since classic has been out nearly 5 years, ever thought of or even heard someone call a warrior a hybrid. They’re just warriors.
You only hopped on the trolly when despite being brought it up to nerf them
Just because you don’t read much doesn’t make what you didn’t read false.
I saw plenty of discourse around warriors being considered hybrids. I even posted a link to a thread from TBC where most poll voters voted that they believe Warrior is a hybrid.
Ignorance is fine, just don’t wield it and be proud. Be open to learning things that you don’t know.