It’s a toxic ability and if sub ever gets to do decent amount of burst damage then this ability makes the spec busted through the roof. I’m fine if my class does good damage but I don’t want it to have 0 counter in conjunction with duel
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Weird thing to post on a level 50 alt.
This is like the most iconic ability sub rogues have other than shadow dance.
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No, it’s not. The ability was introduced in Legion, the same expansion that started the butchering of the sub identity, during which it was considered a joke for anyone to take for the entirety of that expansion. It started seeing some use in mid-late BFA when rogues started ditching their “party buff” (AKA triple Battlefield Focus) traits in favor of solo dmg output AKA First Dance & Night’s Vengeance, and Drestagath trinket. And then it became more and more degenerate as SL introduced 13k echoing reprimand in season 1 & master assassin legendary and then kyrian unity + finality legendary later on.
There are so many other things I would rather take as part of sub’s identity over this trash. Sanguinary veins, expose weakness, smoke bomb, etc. And it’s pretty ironic to call something iconic when the only reason it’s seen more and more use is the game’s design toward more degeneracy.
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I completely disagreed with you until noticing you posted on level 50 rogue alt.
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what
what does it have to do with what I post on? it’s the argument that matters not who says it.
Then why go through the effort of posting on a rogue you’ve barely played?
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I dont know? I logged on the forums after an eternity and this is the toon they gave me? lol?
Like of course its a DH dozer, it’s like if someone pointed at the moon you’d be the type to stare at the finger.
Press “X” to doubt.
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So clinging to the arguer instead of the argument.
Says “Press X to doubt” like he’s speaking on any semblance of logic with some sort of an attitude like he “knows better.”
You know it takes like 5 clicks to change a representing character on the forums and some people have a million better things to do than care about that right? Ohh but not you my guy. To a little thing such as yourself it means so much…
Happy?
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I agree remove duel plz
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Wow finally, someone to talk about the actual topic of the post!
It’s just a weird ability in general, I’d rather get some cool older pvp talents or see some of the useless ones buffed
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I’m not trying to debate you because this a stupid thing to even discuss.
Suggesting that one of the most unique abilities in the game should be REMOVED because it might be over-tuned in the next expansion is absurd.
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So if it’s unique, it should be kept in the game? No other standard is necessary?
Blood Fear was a unique ability, yet it got removed because there was 0 counterplay.
Resonating Arrow(the current kyrian ability for hunter) is a unique ability but it’s removed in DF because it’s stupid to shoot arrows through a pillar.
Alot of people complained about DKs keeping abomb limb in DF because the ability is so hard to counter, even though it’s UNIQUE.
Try something else than just “its unique pls keep it.” Yes you are right it is unique in that it promotes degenerate burst mentality where if you can’t do a clean enough setup to kill correctly, just press the button to take them to duel.
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Shadowy duel can already be removed by Ice block, Divine Shield, Hand of Protection and Greater Fade. Heck, I’m fine with giving other classes more ways to counter it. Just because something is powerful, doesn’t mean it needs to be removed. Just tune it.
I would be sad to see this ability go because it’s actually a decently high skill cap ability. There’s sooo many ways creative ways to utilize it.
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I get your points of wanting to keep shadowy duel in the game, it can be a fun ability and does have its counter plays but Like OP said this ability makes sub rogue really hard to balance bc if they do good dmg as soon as someone trinkets they are dead in a duel. I think many rogues would rather see duel removed so that sub rogues can go back to the older sub play style of dance doing huge dmg and being a meaningful cd
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Can’t they find a way to make it more of a trade off? What if you had to choose between it and blind? Hypothetical.
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We won’t need duel in DF, I also hate how cookie cutter it makes our honor talents.
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Not to mention dance is 10% symbols is 10% , NS will be 8% again , yes we can get DS (good thing) and prey will be 5% again, people really shouldn’t be acting ridiculous as they are in some other posts across diarrhea grenade land that is the forums and wowhead.
Lots of counters to duel yet people still wig out about it. Nevermind other classes smoking you without controlling you.
I’m just happy our kit has returned and we have options to enhance parts of what we give a rip about.
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Duel costs 50 energy as is and the ways to pair damage were brought down (not a big deal). Duel really isn’t a big deal. People trinket dumb crap like saps and dismantle all the time still .
Dk will of the necropolis + blood drain will be filthy + improved death strike. I’m currently monitoring people’s kits to study up on my enemies per say.
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