While I’m up for the debuff limit going away, I think I’d prefer to keep this as is. Buffing the raid is a penalty for death and it’s supposed to be a bit of a time sink for you to have to get prepared again. It’s a part of the overall experience and while it can certainly be tedious, I’d be hesistant to change it.
Group buffs are more convenient, but I’m not convinced that they’re better.
With that said, I mentioned this in another thread… I could see my way around world buffs persisting through deaths that occur in instanced PvE combat.
If it’s so fun, then why don’t you raid with world buffs?
You have raid logs from 2021, 2022, and 2023 on Whitemane Classic Era. No world buffs in any of the logs that I checked. (People in your same raid DID have world buffs so it’s not like you guys were intentionally raiding without them)
If your group is top 100 clear times, 1 boomkin actually works out for the wizard groups because the bosses die so fast that the boomy is not gonna oom before the boss is dead.
was not talking about removing world buffs, only that buffs that are presently group buffs become raid buffs. Example Battle shout is presently a group buff, true shot aura is a group buff, boomkin aura is a group buff, leader of the pack is a group buff.
Making these raid wide instead of group only is what I was talking about; this way you can play whatever class / build and get all the buffs rather than scuttled in some crappy group or be in the good group… This way raid wide comparison of a parse / DPS / HPS is actually comparable rather than just a meme that idiots “OH LOOK ZUG ZUG DPS ZUG”
I know that this does not compare one raid to the next, and that parses are not really comparable when comps and strats are different, but this would at least keep things a little more honest within the raid itself, making things a lot less toxic.
Raid-wide buffs wouldn’t work because Tranquil Air Totem. This totem only works if you can separate it from the tank groups.
Aside from totems, the only buffs that are “group-only” are pretty marginal (Leader of the Pack, Trueshot Aura, etc) and won’t make or break you if you don’t have them. I think the downsides (makes extra Hunters + Druids even less valuable than they already are) far outweigh any potential upside.
I’m pretty firmly #nochanges because I don’t trust Blizzard to not screw it up (see Wrath classic) but even I think removing the debuff limit would be a good change.
It was a technical limitation at the time and makes no sense in the game how a boss can only take 16 debuffs and immune to the rest.
You’re saying you like the “rush” of raiding with world buffs…
but you don’t bother to log those raids…
and the only logs that you DO have from 3 years of Classic Era (you have logged raids in each year of its existence: 2021, 2022, and 2023) just happen to be raids where you didn’t bother to get world buffs…
Actions > words my man… it doesn’t seem like you actually enjoy world buffs that much.
logs are not important to me at all lol i dont mind them but the main guild ive been raiding with dosent have anyone that logs i wouldnt bother to log myself