Yeah sure.
Whatever dude. Everything you say is speculation and you expect people on a lore forum to lap it up?
I already told you even if there was an Elune connection it would be a shoddy one at best, much different from night elves believing in life they would be with Elune (Wolfheart, WotA). Night elves landing in a place with a stranger figure instead of Elune isnât really a good thing.
Again:
Look man if your problem is that you donât like the direction the Lore is going meta-wise as they continue expanding and solidfying the cosmology, thatâs your prerogative, but your first reaction to a real lore connection (Night Warriors go to realm created by the Winter Queen) is âThis isnât really a good thingâ, and you expected Elune to be in charge of the ânight elf afterlifeâ.
Which is fine! That was the standing lore.
But this is material quest dialogue/quest text evidence that the âExtremistâ worshippers of Elune (Night Warriors) go to Ardenweald guaranteed as a secondary effect of that power.
Your response, and Irenaus response, is: âOh itâs probably a coincidence! Nothing to see here!â
My response, and that of any sane person, is: âOh perhaps the Winter Queen has a relationship to Elune thatâs very important and unique, that ties together the Night Warrior to her origins!â
I wouldnât use the term coincidence, just not necessarily Elune related.
Just an appeal to common sense, lol.
Do you see what youâre doing here?
You yourself say âperhapsâ and then you take your own speculation as fact. You canât argue speculation. You canât debate speculation. It is merely a guess. There are several other paths to take beside those guesses. You can invoke Occamâs razor, perhaps, and say the explanation is that there is a connection to Elune with the Winter Queen. But Occamâs razor is not fact, its outcome is merely a hypothesis and doesnât always hold up. You cannot argue speculation as fact, because we simply do not have the details. It could easily be a different relation between Elune and Ardenweald.
The other issue here is you are claiming that just because Night elves end up there, they will be resurrected. I highly, highly doubt that, because they arenât wild Gods and instead their anima will be used to fuel them, but we will only have to wait to see.
As for this,
This is essentially my problem with the scenario. Itâs not really positive for night elves- itâs just plastered to look good for them when in reality-
-they are not with Elune but a stranger going to be established to have connection with Elune which is lame
-several night elves are permanently obliterated in the Maw
-Ardenweald is a dumb afterlife without sabers, hippogryphs, chimaeras, Ancient Protectors or Elune and has butterfly people instead. But thatâs my problem with Shadowlands in general I guess.
Alternatively, literally everyoneâs religion is wrong except for night elves, who are cared for from birth to afterlife by their goddess. orc religion is always treated like a wrong afterthought. the light is just belief. trolls are completely subservient to night elves and night elf gods. anâshe â anâwho?
aight but you still getting bones thrown at you, solid and firm bones
meanwhile trolls get a âpocket dimensionâ that looks musty as hell and the rest of the shamanistic races who in theory been engaging with the shadowlands for CENTURIES more than the night elves got nothing lol
Imagine having such a superiority complex that you expected a shared afterlife to be analogous only to Night Elf conventions?
Considering that the Night Warrior who returned to Ardenweald came from another planet and is definitely not a Night Elf, the Night Elves should start getting used to not being treated like Eluneâs golden child.
In fact, I hope Thiernax turns out to be a troll.
Forreal, the fact Elune is called Elune by Thiernax on Fyzandi and not some alien name just further adds to âactually night elves are right, alwaysâ dynamic.
Elune shouldnât have been called Elune but something visibly parallel but still different. Lunel or something.
Why? Elune can communicate with her followers. Sheâd have no reason to make up multiple names.
Tauren call her Musha, and the Zandalari Trolls who follow her call themselves Lunâalai, which given Atalâai (Devoted Ones) and AtalâDazar (Devoted to Dazar), probably means Lunâalâs Ones.
Other races have other names for herâŚ
Those other races donât actually commune with her like some do. Weâre talking about ones that actually talk to her. Thiernax on Fyzandi fall in that group.
The burning of teldressil resulted in the deaths of hundreds of innocent people. Does it matter if they didnât lose heroes?
Yes. Those nameless npcs never show up in the story, so nothing was effectively lost.
Dreadmoore doesnât even believe in his own words. He wastes time here saying nameless NPCs donât mean anything to the story, then goes off on rants about why the nameless NPCs Sylvanas blighted and raised in undeath meant so much to him. He calls the loss of Teldrassil unimportant, when the Undercity was for all practical purposes exactly as old as Teldrassil is, and as such comparatively only as important to the Forsaken as much as Teldrassil was to the Night Elves by relative time standards. And on top which the blighting of Lordaeron isnât even permanent, as in the latest book it was brought up that Voss and Calia are planning actions to restore the Forsakenâs home and move right back there.
Speaking of âeveryoneâs religion being fakeâ, Iâd honestly rather have fewer deities all having different names based on the culture of their worshippers, rather than a million gods but ech one being real. I feel like the cosmology is already muddied enough for this.
Still doesnât quite answer where tauren and orc ancestors go, but maybe weâll see.
I thought the theory that Vereesa Windrunner was going to die during the Burning of Teldrassil and that the Silver Covenant died saving the Night Elves or something campaign against playable high elves back then?
I think times change.
The difference here is that Iâm not saying weâve lost anything by losing those nameless NPCs. The nameless NPCs in Lordaeron make me mad because I couldnât do anything about it, and none of our named NPCs react to it, besides Saurfang. Sylvanas betrayed the cornerstone of all Forsaken belief: Everyone deserves Free Will.
Sylvanas betrayed both the Honor Horde and the Forsaken in one single move. Those NPCs are superfluous. Her actions are not. The Horde castâs inaction is not.
Except it wasnât civilians that fended off the entire Horde. It was battle-minded Champions of the Kaldorei who took the Night Warrior curse with Tyrande, and the Gilneans, who fought off the Horde.
The Horde killed the civilians when they burned the tree. We just got a garbage cutscene with 4 characters, versus massive watercolor stuff for Sylvanas.
Par for the course, really.
Let alone that Jaina, in the very attack that blighted it, proved that frost novas clear all that crap out.
You can frost nova a tree all you want, itâs not going to make it livable again.