Regarding <John Deere>

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Just thought I’d give a short narrative regarding my experience with this guild

I joined through a merger with my old guild, raided with them steadily for over a month. I work during the week, so I was in their weekend raid, which was pretty new at the time.

To start, this guild isn’t really about running anything other than UBRS in my experience. I never saw anyone actively helping others get geared. Mostly, members are farming obscure items or gold. Asking for help in general will probably get you silence at the best, or clowned on at worst. Discussing the game or class mechanics will likely get you on the ignore list by half the raiders in the guild. Basically any interaction with other guild members if you’re not in the core group is treated as a nuisance.

Luckily, I was pretty geared already. On the off chance we did run scholo or another 5 man, generally the runs were rough with either disorganized or rushed pulls, or killing the wrong targets. If you happen to be a healer, expect the caster dps in the guild to need on things such as dark runes, which they openly admit they plan to sell not use at their first opportunity. I could see this in a pug, but not for a guildie run. Generally, you would pass them to the healer, especially if you plan to sell them, which is literally the exact definition of the word “greed”

Regarding raiding, the weekend raid is generally considered second class citizens from the main raid. Likewise, we weren’t regarded as “raiders” even though we clear the same content every week. The guild generally has good parses so I expected much from them. The runs were overall pretty smooth, we cleared every week, but sometimes not in one night.

Raid prep is extremely sloppy. No DMT runs before raid, or SF scout groups. Something I would consider pretty standard for a top guild. Officers in one case wouldn’t make an official call on if we were running ony the next day after an MC until literally 30 mins before the standard raid time. Officers are usually absent in general.

As I said, I expected impressive parses, but in general numbers were pretty lackluster. As a druid, I was usually within a few % of being top heals, and top heals on important fights more often than not. As a hybrid class, and in a guild that uses neither Luna (yikes) or Healcom (big yikes) that’s pretty surprising.

When I joined, I did ask about ranks but was told basically not to worry about it. After about a month of showing up every week on time with consumes, a tank who joined around the time I did got promoted to raider while I was still a trial putting up near top heals every raid. I brought this up to leadership, and the discussion was further delayed. An officer told me that he also thought the weekend raid discrimination was unfair and was working to promote the entire raid to raider status.

During raid, I was told that an officer meeting would be the next day to discuss these concerns, so I delayed leaving until I heard more.

I didn’t log on for several days, and when I did I found myself guildless. Not only that, but the raider mage from weeks ago that felt his need to AH dark runes justified taking them left me a nice note basically rubbing in the fact that I needed dark runes. Yeah, I do. One raid I burnt through 10 in addition to 25 major mana potions.

Apparently this is still a big deal in his mind, lending further evidence to the low maturity of this guild in general. I’ve never heard of an offline gkick for asking for a rank promotion, with the parses and attendance to back it.

To this day I haven’t got a single whisper regarding the situation at all, some raid members whispered me to ask why I was no longer in the guild. Well, honestly, who knows? And a better question who cares?

In addition to no brains, the leadership has shown they further have no balls either. I basically told you I was dumping you, and you changed the locks while I was at work. Very mature move. I’m also not your high school ex girlfriend, I don’t need in-game equivalent to texts saying some snide comment weeks later about your pent up animosity.

Now, as a resto druid, I obviously don’t care at all. Not only are resto druids pretty much the most in demand class in the game, but especially ones wearing almost full epics, and that actually know how to play their class.

I just figured I’d let everyone know my experience with this guild. Very cliquey, disorganized, and immature.

I can’t say I’d recommend this guild

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I’ve run a few end game dungeons with John Deere members. One in particular was a UBRS run, the tank kept pulling the mob away from me when I’d dps. This happened a few times b4 Rend and while doing the Rend fight. Basically he would pull him away and the entire group would move with the tank. I was confused and asked him what’s going on?? He explained that he was doing it so I wouldn’t out dps their warriors. At first I didn’t understand what that meant and he further explained I kept out parsing their raid members. Even now I’m like “does it really matter??”

Honestly OP, I believe that this type of behavior only exist because it’s horde faction. The condescending and arrogant behavior is everyone on horde side whitemane. Even my current guild a lot of the core raid members have their own click and hardly invite anyone outside of it. A lot of them know each other irl so I suppose that just makes me a means to an end. But I will say my guild isn’t the worst I encountered and that’s why I stuck around.

But a message to all the people that are full of themselves… just be nice to each other. This isn’t the prime version of wow it’s the classic experience. But I bet that’s not a popular thingy I say among the horde community.

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Well that fits in with my experience. The guild has a way of complicating simple things and the result is just more time spent and usually a worse result. I can tell you though that this isn’t a horde exclusive problem. Everyone thinks they know everything about everything, especially classic.

But this gist of this post is to hopefully prevent someone who knows how to play, who shows up, and who comes with consumables doesn’t waste a month or more of their time on this guild thinking they’re serious about raid spots.

They’re more likely to kick you and fill with someone in their clique or that they’re familiar with, or an alt. Mainly, it’s how geared their main raid is that initially impressed me. But now, that makes sense because all resources are funneled to them.

There’s a shadow faction in the guild that just does their own thing outside of the “core” group because their core is combative, raid logging, and basically useless in general. This creates clique culture, and basically comes down to poor leadership.

It’s really convenient that the weekend I was kicked was the first week the GM raided in the guild on his alt, and officers were mainly on their alts in the raid.

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I remember coming across these guys as Alli and getting corpse camped by by 4 of their lvl 60s as a lvl 45, thought they were a bunch of kunts. Then again, I think that of all horde.

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Damn sorry to hear you had to go through that. Hope your next guild goes a lot better for you.

I have a few friends in John Deere and they echo similar experiences but the root of their loyalty comes from the competitive aspect the guild brings. They’re still a top guild for Horde.

Goodluck to you

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john deere is full of garbage

They are notorious devilsaur leather ninjas, they will stand on a corpse until it despawns to ninja a skin and they use autoclickers to tag

Nothing but bad experience with John deere, except for comet

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Ravid, Im still interested in you joining up with < Peachy >. Look me up man. Burnsey or Bubblebobbl

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I am still interested as well my friend I talked to one of your members yesterday. I probably will got through with your offer thank you :blush:

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You sound like a whiny child OP. Go back to retail or reroll Alliance if you desperately need everyone to hold your hand 24/7.

The fact you felt compelled to make this blogpost trying to slander John Deere speaks volumes. Cringe and yikes!

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Hey, I can help you farm the BOP runes from the demons in winterspring if you want. Add me and shoot me a message.

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Imagine talking smack on an alt like a little girl

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Cry about it

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If JD is in any way slandered it’s because you disapprove of their behavior in the first place.

Also

Lmfao

Good point. He probably gets a cut of the devilsaur JD steals in Un Guro

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I’m going to respond here to clarify a few points since you’ve decided to be a forum warrior. This is the only post we’re going to make.

There wasn’t a merger. We had been talking to the raid leader for a couple weeks about starting a John Deere weekend raid. He came with about 10 people, including yourself. Most of which ended up quitting the game or stopped showing up.

Our members are all pre bis, and you joined after we had geared and attuned 80+ people. There certainly were people running things, you clearly just had a problem forming a connection with any of them.

This is false. The “clowned on” you speak of probably had more to do with the sperging and questionable topics you chose to talk about in guild chat.

This is actually funny. At times there were 70+ people on and you were the only one typing for hours. You honestly drowned everyone else out. We promote class discussion, and our discord is extremely active in that regard.

Caster dps use dark runes, everything else is hearsay.

The weekend raiders are regarded as raiders. It’s a more casual group of people with some alts, but no one is looked down on. Don’t know what else to say about that. It clears in one night in under 2 hours. Weekend raiders do not get treated poorly by anyone in the guild.

The weekend raid, which you were a part of, was just getting off the ground. At the time it was being ran solely by the raid leader you joined with and was 25%+ pugs. Two of our officers leveled alts to 60 to join and help lead the raid. In fact, both of them joined the raid group the night you left raid before it was over. There is an officer online 24/7 so I really wouldn’t call us absent.

I’m not sure why rank were so important to you. It made zero difference for receiving loot or being invited to the raid. They have since been fixed. The delay was caused by our GM being extremely busy and we considered changing all the guild ranks to be a low priority.

You were kicked for leaving mid raid and logging off after telling an officer you would leave if you didn’t receive a promotion, which none of the weekend raiders had received at the time.

You left mid raid and logged off. Did you actually expect to still be in guild the next time you logged in?? No officers have talked or sent messages to you since you got kicked. If you pissed off other people, that’s on you.

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op ABSOLUTELY and IRREVOCABLE has been BTFO forever by FACTS (and LOGIC)

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The OP’s internal JD experience mirrors all of my interactions with JD externally.

Unsurprised. Sorry that you had to interact with these virgins.

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OP will like a post defending him but not respond to John Deere’s response? Coward!

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I wanted to thank John Deere for taking the time to confirm the allegations made in the OP

I’m going to respond here to clarify a few points since you’ve decided to be a forum warrior. This is the only post we’re going to make.

Forum warrior? I simply stated my experience with your guild. If you find what I posted to be damaging to your reputation, then you obviously have a problem yourself with how your guild operates.

I’m glad this will be your only post, because as we will see shortly, your response doesn’t refute anything I said.

There wasn’t a merger.

So immediately, you open your post by marginalizing new guild members. I was in a guild, my guild joined your guild. We have a word in english for that: a merger. You then go on further attempting to marginalize the new members who joined JD by saying “most ended up quitting the game” as if that has any bearing on people like myself, who showed up faithfully, on time, prepared, since the day I joined your guild.

Already, we’ve proven that the culture I outlined in the OP is firmly in place, straight from the GM’s mouth.

Our members are all pre bis, and you joined after we had geared and attuned 80+ people. There certainly were people running things, you clearly just had a problem forming a connection with any of them.

Further cementing the culture of being unwilling to help new raiders, even when it directly affects your success in raid 2. The main tank of our raid often voiced his concern that he was never helped with getting geared by the guild, and lacked a proper FR set for fights like rag.

More confirmation of the OP

This is false. The “clowned on” you speak of probably had more to do with the sperging and questionable topics you chose to talk about in guild chat.

So it’s false, but then you go on to excuse the behavior. More confirmation of the OP. If you’re trying to say something is false, don’t defend it in the next statement lmfao

This is actually funny. At times there were 70+ people on and you were the only one typing for hours. You honestly drowned everyone else out. We promote class discussion, and our discord is extremely active in that regard.

So you promote class discussion, in the discord. What is guild chat for? I drowned out nobody, the fact is nobody speaks in guild except core raiders because of the culture I outlined in the OP

Caster dps use dark runes, everything else is hearsay.

Conveniently ignoring the part where I said this person made it perfectly clear he had no intention of using the runes himself and said he would sell them at first opportunity.

Thank you for agreeing that runes should be used not sold

The weekend raiders are regarded as raiders.

So regarded as raiders, but don’t have the raider rank. You seem to have a fundamental disconnect with reality, and like speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

The weekend raid, which you were a part of, was just getting off the ground. At the time it was being ran solely by the raid leader you joined with and was 25%+ pugs. Two of our officers leveled alts to 60 to join and help lead the raid. In fact, both of them joined the raid group the night you left raid before it was over. There is an officer online 24/7 so I really wouldn’t call us absent.

So again, didn’t refute anything I stated. And your comment about officers being online 24/7 is simply false. There were numerous times where we even @'ed the officers in Discord and didn’t receive responses for full days on guild calls.

I’m not sure why rank were so important to you. It made zero difference for receiving loot or being invited to the raid.

Likewise, I would ask you the same thing. You stated not even 10 sentences ago, flat out, that weekend raiders are raiders. So what was the hang up? Promote them. “I don’t know why this is important, but you’re right, after we kicked you we promoted them to their proper rank”

More agreement that the OP is correct. So far, you haven’t refuted anything I’ve said, outside of a blatantly false statement

You were kicked for leaving mid raid and logging off after telling an officer you would leave if you didn’t receive a promotion, which none of the weekend raiders had received at the time.

Luckily, I have that raid recorded. There were multiple reasons why I left during ony. Mainly, because leadership in that raid was terrible. I joined John Deere because I thought you were a top raiding guild, but that night cemented the fact that this was not the case.

If you’d like me to point out exactly why I can do so but it should be pretty apparent. I turned my stream off after the first wipe because at that point it was getting embarrassing. We went on to wipe another 3 or 4 times before I had finally had enough. Notice the single shaman btw lmfao

Any pug would’ve had a much smoother experience

You asked why being a raider is important. Good question. During that raid, my rank was a “Social/Casual”. As a social, I don’t owe anything to John Deere, I’m not expected to stay for raids, I’m not expected to be fully prepared with consumables. As a “casual”, nothing should be expected from me, yet it seems as if you expect full raider dedication to those who aren’t raiders. Hell, I wasn’t even a “trial”. I was a SOCIAL.

Even still, every attempt, I would burn 2-3 major manas and 1-2 runes. Eventually, after 4 wipes, I had had enough. As a “casual” I don’t have 50 gold for Ony progression (lol)

Likewise, since you’re expecting raider level dedication from me, at worst, for leaving a run early, I would’ve earned a demotion to Social or Trial. The only problem is, THAT WAS ALREADY MY RANK.

Basically, you want to have your cake and eat it too. You won’t give people the status they’ve earned, but then throw a fit when those people don’t show the dedication you, for some reason, expect. You fundamentally don’t understand what ranks mean, which just further proves you should not be in the position of GM, and AGAIN further proves the point made in the OP

Also, it seems as if you took my advice, after all of this, and went ahead and promoted Raid 2 anyways. But of course, being a child, you couldn’t bear admitting that I was actually in the right the whole time, and so used a Social leaving your dumpster fire of a raid as an excuse to kick me.

Knowing what I know now, I wouldn’t have stayed anyways even if I was promoted to raider. The only reason I didn’t gquit immediately after I left was because the officer I talked to said there was an officer meeting the next day to discuss these issues.

So what you’re saying is you wanted raider dedication from your socials?
A better question is: did you actually expect a casual to stay after 4 wipes? :rofl:

Thank you for confirming that this is how your guild operates to the citizens of Whitemane.

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Whos Rancid?

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Ravid, Did you not get enough love when you were younger? The amount of rage and salt you are holding in are a sight to be seen. Do you need a Hug? or quite possibly some therapy? I would love to provide you some much needed love and attention.