See, when they use words like “narcissism” it comes across as them using it a pejorative rather than a clinical term as it ought. It’s the same reason why Zipzo wants to associate you with Peterson or right-wingers despite the fact that you’ve allowed yourself no relation to any of that in any way shape or form here.
Zipzo couldn’t argue with you and so had to make a appeal to modern tribalism in order to get anyone to support his irrationality. So he has to associate you with an opposing tribe and misalign you that way since he can’t “win the argument” through logic and reasoning.
Group-think is the only option left. Democracy. Mob rule. It’s the same reason he switches back and forth from himself to “we” so often. He believes his “tribe” is aligned against yours in his mind.
Riger, intentionally or not, is still standing by this as well.
They certainly don’t know how to address problems that’s for sure. They’re too used to being “on the right side” of things that they react with the kind of shocked and wounded reaction you expect from a teenaged YEC finding out about carbon dating… except they managed to get through all of high school, college, and even well into professional life without ever being told they’re wrong.
Yeah youre right. The players request the game not change purely on account of player greed. Seems like they would have a leg up on someone who wants dual specs just because they want dual specs.
Not really any of your business tbh nor is it relevant. They’re not the ones lobbying for the game to be changed. The onus is on the people who want the game changed to come up with a good reason for it to change but theyre out of luck there because they dont have one. Best they could do is admit their love affair with convenience and ask nicely to be catered too and hope for the best.
Its not on the backs of the no dual spec crowd to prove you dont deserve them. You want them so its on you to prove why you should get them. Youre “why” is garbage though and people are letting you know that.
Yeah just ignore it. Again with the good/bad dichotomy. Good and bad dont enter into it. Ill say it again. Profits and company do not have an argument. All they have is something they covet very much and that is not a strong enough position to get change enacted for obvious reasons. The argument (since youre saying its an argument and not just a request) in favor of dual specs would need to prove or at least make viable the necessity of such a change but thats the a big fly in their ointment because all the evidence suggests you dont actually need dual specs to play or enjoy TBC. So Profits and crew just reconcile the impasse by focusing their impotence towards their appointed opposition and hope the other side makes them look good in the petty squabbles about nothing.
Yeah Ive said that repeatedly since my first post in this thread so thanks for agreeing with me. Unfortunately you got the wrong side pegged. When we can get around to you acknowledging that there is nothing tenable or valid about the pro dual spec “argument” then perhaps this thread can hit its stride rather than get bogged down a shills game of semantics.
I think the same thing when disingenuous types attempt to make smarmy underhanded and subtle insinuations by referencing sharia law and their opponent in the same sentence. Thats just your one trick pony move of trying to trivialize an opponent and/or their stance when you can’t refute them logically.
Goes without saying. Im just confused as to why you’ve already hand picked yourself as the winner.
Can we throw in the fact that they weren’t free because that’s pretty important. Players wanted boosts and to a lesser extent clones. They had to pay for those things with real money though - pretty sure if player desire was driving development then those things would have been free. Unless youre telling me the players also wanted to extra for these things.
So dont man Im not bothered because Fasc don’t agree with me. Im not posting for your benefit. My position is asking you to legitimize your position or at least be honest about it since you really can’t. I also dont have to defend no dual specs in TBC because there already are no dual specs in TBC. Thats your job to defend and substantiate the changes you want to see and its been a big fat zero across the board for dual spec folk.
I cant speak to druid energy but the rest were less than ideal albeit proactive approaches to address player created issues in the realm of faction population whether you agreed with it or not. The same cannot be said for dual specs. To even try and make that correlation is more than a little desperate. Youre free to keep grasping at straws of course.
They they know how to address problems. Except these are not real problems, but the ones they invent for themselves. That’s exactly how Zipzo wanted to communicate with you. He has no intention of understanding you or learning from you; nor did he have any intention of having receive the benefit of learning from him. His entire purpose was to reconfigure everything you said to a more manageable state by which he could affirm what he already believes.
First, this relies on the premise that BG queues are “too long” which entails there’s an assumed amount of time for queues that is ideal. None of this was stated in any finite terms, everything was assumed.
Ultimately, if you were in a 30-minute queue for a BG, does that mean you won’t be placed in your BG? No, it doesn’t mean that. I means you’re waiting for a length of time that is longer than you want it to be.
So, Blizzard implemented HvH. Why? For the purpose of player convenience. There is absolutely no point whatsoever in punishing players for simply having queued for BGs. So HvH is implemented to reduce timers for–again–the sake of convenience.
Now that we’ve established that, let’s move onto Dual Spec…
So, what Dual Spec does is it gives all players the opportunity to shift between two specs without having to visit a trainer and without having to pay a fee on top of shifting to an alternate spec. This is a convenient change to any player wanting to shift between PvP and PvE specs or shift between two PvE specs for the sake of adding particular raid utility or function to any raid encounter.
There is absolutely no point whatsoever in forcing players to take all these extra steps just to switch between two specs in order to add more flavor to their TBC Classic experience. I want Dual Spec because it doesn’t punish the player for having to choose between two specs.
Just like a HvH makes BG queue times more convenient, Dual Spec makes switching between two specs convenient.
Dual spec players arent demanding good changes, theyre just demanding changes. The verdict on duals specs being good hasnt beensubstantiated to any reasonable persons satisfaction and remains firmly in the realm of opinion - which you cant use to confirm the declaration.
I mean the very fact that we’re using the term “Dual Spec” is based on precedent. We didn’t just make this up. It’s based on something that Blizzard eventually added to the game anyway because of the same problems we’re experiencing in TBC Classic today.
It’s no different than players who asked Blizzard to balance Paladins for each factions by Seal allotment. So Blizzard acquiesced.
That was a fundamental design error. How could you have released TBC with a skill that was like vital to one DPS spec tied to one faction and not give a similar, at least to the other faction?
Imagine Horde having Blood Lust and alliance having a version of Heroism that was like increase the spirit of the group by 40% instead of haste.
Having players to go to the trainer to reset their talent spec is a RPG concept.
Players wanting to get rid of it should experience Shadowlands instead of TBC.
Lol at people arguing for something that we know won’t be added.
It’s like the people arguing for fresh servers with 10,000 reasons why it needed to happen and why it was 100% legit, still didn’t happen, not even 1 acknowledgement from Blizzard that it was even on the radar, or even a flat out no.
Dual spec isn’t going to happen in TBC. Get over it. It’ll be in Wrath if we ever get there. Blizzard isn’t going to tell you dual spec isn’t happening, they’re just going to carry on as if these stupid arguments don’t exist.
They do… I’m not sure why you think you can just dismiss such a thing as good/bad opinions. They’re good opinions if they’re well supported and soundly reasoned, and they’re bad opinions if they’re unsupported and poorly reasoned.
This isn’t controversial.
This is nonsense.
“Your side has no argument. How do I know? Because I say so.”
Doesn’t change the fact Blizzard glossed over the complaints. This is entirely a red herring.
Blizzard said the same of the entire respec function in WotLK.
