I think I found it guys - Reck Paladin gets gouged WITH auto attack turned on but still keeps his charges and drops a bomb on the Rogue
https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_1.12.2
Release (US)
13 October 2006
https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_1.12.1
Release (US)
26 September 2006
we got spam this…there was NO TIME where reckoning did not work…or that at least was liek this…ever
The video above is a great example that this “fix” rather change is completely unjust.
Please continue to provide any feedback, or videos that help address this.
posting for him since he’s EU paladin:
argh me man
found a rogue
works like a charm
We need an US account to report this bug tbh.
BG=broken. WORLD=working.
they prob hired 1 guy so save some damn money
https://streamable.com/w5j4l
Getting crit during swing just puts it back at 0. So you get a stack but its only a white melee if AttackON. If attackOFF and crit in middle of swing you will hit 2 hits after the timer ends.
So basically what i gather from all of this is, we basically want to swing, immediately press a /stopattack macro to avoid is resetting our swing timer and effectively gaining nothing lol. Oh and NEVER EVER Switch targets.
Anyone else know of a talent/ability that requires you to ensure you aren’t switching targets and have to disable auto attack after every swing so you actually gain stacks properly?
more current gameplay from live classic inside AV since open world Reck is currently functioning differently than inside instances/battlegrounds:
@Theloras
Description:
Drakova: Hits mage - Gets swing timer.
Mage: Cone Of Cold crit for 1063.
Drakova: Swing 0.7 sec resets and becomes 1 white hit.
Mage: Arcane explosion crit 444.
Drakova: Swing 2.2 sec resets and becomes 1 white hit.
that also looked right?
watched it at 0.5x speed, he eats a crit and swings which is expected behavior no?
Well if this is the intended function it should state: Instantly returns an attack when critically hit. or something
yeah tooltip is rough for sure
but every thread from vanilla suggests that it worked this way if your AA was on
well yea then this is fine
If they make it work as it works in world I think we’re in goal
It is abit better than vanilla but worse than the bugged classic version
TLDR…
So after the fix
Reckoning is still inconsistent
I get stun locked and crit 10 plus times and will have no stacks when attacking one target I have not switched off from
When it was clearly highlighted by the blue post it isn’t supposed to do that
Good job blizz
Bump, would really like a reply to this blizzard. Knowing what your intentions are around this subject moveing forward.
You say aunthenticity is very important to you, and that is all the paladin community is asking for at this point. If this change stays in effect, threads regarding it get locked without a proper response or any form of communication, I will be cancelling my subscription renewal.
I’ve enjoyed the experience thus far, and understand you want to stop exploits, with your latest decision on addressing a supposed bug involving a trinket you’ve seemingly inadvertently destroyed an iconic, and truly authentic aspect of the vanilla experience.
Vanilla had crazy reckoning paladins, and they were ferocious, now but a memory all over again.
At this point it feels as if whoever is in charge of handling this has been hit in the face with a reck bomb one to many times and just has it out for paladins.
I’m extremely disappointed so far in the lack of communication, and saddened that it seems as though I and the other members of the community won’t receive any in return.
Since clearly reckoning was op and you balanced it can we get poly/ sap and fear to last 8 secs.
Fear to break on damage
Cheap and kidney share dr.
I’m sure you could also balance damage for certain classes also.
Since we are now playing classic+
…again in AV here. Just got crit 5x by rogue during cheap shot. Turned on him and nudged him once with my sword.
Look at Drakova in this latest video:
This is plainly broken!
Would Blizzard like to give ANY kind of statement regarding this? Even just an acknowledgment that there is an issue, or that they are aware of our posts?
Nah. They won’t say anything. We will be ignored as they always have ignored paladins 15 years ago.
Blizzard, your reckoning changes in the current classic IS NOT the same as it was 15 years ago. Reckoning charges are not combo points. You have changed an ability to work differently then the way it worked in vanilla. I thought there were supposed to be #nochanges?
Stop locking our threads and have a discussion with your customers. This is unprofessional and I will no longer give you ANY money until you fix this. Jesus Christ blizzard.
I dont know why it’s so hard to make a post at least acknowledging something, or bare minimum saying they are looking into it.
meanwhile…
Warriors can use a /stopattack macro with Slam even though it was nerfed for Reckoning lol
When it really comes down to it, clearly making a drastic change to how a classes talent works , so much that it becomes obsolete , as well as it not being the same as it was in vanilla you have to consider doing the same thing to other classes or lose customers, and lots of money. You completely destroyed a already subpar class, but ignore mages being able to sheep you for infinity, fear not breaking to damage, being able to die 100% to 0 in a fear, 20 second - 1 minute CCs with no cooldown, the list really goes on, you cant decide, hey fck this class, and not consider the problems with other ones.
yet they’ve known for quite some time about Elemental Shaman exploiting double crits within the batch window…
paladins shouldnt lose reckoning stacks when they mount up.
the stacks should be stored vs anyone, not just your current opponent.
whatever this ‘fix’ is, is clearly not consistent with this client version 15 years ago, and should be left alone.
what this says to me is that
developers do not want paladins to have a viable dps spec at all.
what they are doing is catering to warriors as far as melee, as they are indirectly stating that if you want to use a 2h weapon then warrior is where you need to be.
And warriors even more so with their stat/stop attack slam batch macro that allows them a free swing just like the HOJ batch.
Watch “Warrior One Shot [Slam is BROKEN]” on YouTube
all the while horde gets to keep windfury shamans above paladins, and their spell counterpart
elemental shamans get to be top tier ranged dps with elemental fury spell batching hitting mobs and players for 3k to 4k lightning crits.
how is/was reckoning even comparable?
Stop overthinking. Just because they failed to understand how Reckoning works, and/or fixed a bug that happened to break Reckoning, doesn’t necessarily mean they had an ulterior motive to remove a viable pvp dps spec (not PvE, mind you). It may mean they’re incompetent in getting things right, just don’t over think their motives.
For all we know, this may also not be intended, and they might fix this. And also keep in mind, the war is popping Reckoning to accomplish all that he does in the video. So every 30min he’s able to obliterate things with Engineering. Not sure if that’s a good indicator of consistent results.
the entire point of Slam is that it has a cast timer - which means that your Auto-Attacks should not be able to go off while it is charging
using the stop attack macro let’s any Warrior have both go off at the same time which is a bug or exploit depending on how you want to view it
The fact that he said “this may not be intended” should tell you he has absolutely no idea what hes talking about and is just posting for the hell of it. Its obviously an exploit, anyone with any game knowledge of how auto attacking works with casted spells/attacks would know this. Also I wouldn’t say its overthinking, they obviously targeted rets and ret reck spec ONLY in the months that classic has been out and rendered reckoning useless right as BG’s came out, when other classes have way worse exploits and abusable abilities than ret but haven’t been touched, you’d be delusional to think otherwise.
As far as my experience from vanilla, and reviewing many videos out there on Reckoning, it seems it is not functioning as “blizzlike” at all.
I do not remember ever losing stacks because I initiated my AutoAttack and the Rogue vanishes, or im CC’d and AutoAttack stops.
So how is the “not a bug” of Reckoning stacks dropping when toggling off AutoAttack, blizzlike at all?