Hardly the first time community outrage has led to undue prejudices against a spec, the WoW community is generally deeply ignorant and takes their cues from what the majority is doing until someone goes viral for disobeying the cookie cutter.
And yet there were still a minority of people willing to give it a shot, typically in guilds who do content early enough that they’re not stuck in a cycle of taking cues from their peers.
Unfortunately, some people will never realize that an open mind and engaged attention to cause and effect is more valuable than the everyday motions of the masses.
So, by this “logic”, may we assume that you think a valid strategy for ensuring the longevity of World of Warcraft is to attempt to appeal to the Final Fantasy playerbase rather than the people who have been subscribed to World of Warcraft for the majority of its life cycle?
I always love the arguments of the “logical” on the internet, voluminous be their posts!
Oh, but that shouldn’t affect all those peeps you think adore the spec. I mean, they love it, right? Do you really think all but 16 hunters were forced to play BM by their raid group? This despite the fact that 112 rogues ran Outlaw, despite it performing way worse than SV. Despite the fact that 179 mages ran Frost, despite it being literally 15% behind Fire.
But ya, it’s just community perception, clearly. If it weren’t for that, everyone would be playing SV, because in your hilarious mental delusion, everyone absolutely adores the spec.
What I mean by that logic is that you don’t get to ignore the opinions of players simply by identifying a label that by definition aligns with your opinion.
I mean, by your “logic”, your opinion on anything related to PvE is completely worthless, since you haven’t done anything even remotely noteworthy in PVE basically ever on that hunter. So clearly your inferences about their representation can simply be ignored out of hand, because they come from someone that doesn’t raid as SV. Sorry bud, your opinions are worthless here.
I guess that all boils down to what you consider good design aspects. Not that I specifically pointed to Havoc being the best designed spec in the game. I didn’t actually point out any specific specializations. It was a broad statement meant to encompass how there are 32 other specializations in the game within which you can find much better designed specializations (regardless of your definition) and more subjective fun.
You live in imagination land. Just feeding for likes.
The biggest joke is saying people that enjoy the spec simply defend it. No kidding, players defend what they like?
You are obnoxious sir. And it’s pathetic. The SV crowd was overdue to defend what they liked after facing the toxicity of folks like you and others for quite some time. And that community divided to what it is today; where both sides became toxic.
Don’t @ me with your paragraphs I won’t read it. It’s simple people hate it and people love it.
We all know RSV never should have been removed; but to act the way you do to players that simply enjoy a spec that blizzard, not them, put into the game blows my mind.
From a PVP perspective I genuinely consider BFA survival one of the best designed and most cohesive specs in the games history. There’s a lot more cohesion between wildfire infusion and planning your next 30 seconds of gameplay in PVP that is unfortunately lost on the PVE side of the spec; it would be dishonest of me to pretend that MSV is not specifically designed for PVP. PVE as MSV is a genuine afterthought, though far more viable than a braindead community would ever give it credit for.
Havoc is among the worst, demonstrating the pitfalls of things like “active offenses coupled with passive defenses in the same ability” for years running; this is because Havoc takes its design cues from MOBAs rather than MMOs.
Havoc can be “fun” in the sense that the mobility and wingflapping grants a lot of fun parkour moments, but it is absolute trash from a design standpoint.
No, I don’t mean those. There are some peeps that defend the spec but also acknowledge it has areas that could be improved.
That shot was actually more towards Scabbers, who has literally said that anyone that thinks SV needs changed at all is innately wrong, and that SV is perfect exactly the way it is. Scabbers is actually exactly the paragon of that sentiment I was thinking of when I wrote it.
“I’mma insult you, and then dip because I know I can’t actually hold my position here”.
Not talking about scabbers nor responding to him. He’s the other toxic half. I was actually relating to any other thread and first post before anything else was said.
Good try though. Sorry that you think it’s an insult. I’m a grown up who can handle the internet.
The game has always had the highest population numbers when the “little sidegame that is PVP” was in a better place. This should tell you something, but you’re probably not receptive to that information.
I was a very active raider up through Dragon Soul (US 156), by the way. I burnt out on raiding with the expansion into endless difficulty options watering down the uniqueness of the sets and trinkets found within raids.
The great thing about PVP is it’s repeatable content that varies with each encounter (albeit less so in the modern state of the game), which allows people to enjoy it with less reliance on the trickle of “new content” (in fact, a lot of the “new content” in pvp in recent years has been very poorly received; see Seething Shore and the Deepwind Gorge remake), but unfortunately our ability to provide our own entertainment in the PVP community results in the PVE community and PVE-oriented devs (GM of Elitist Jerks ring a bell?) misreading the situation as being “less engaged.”
Just wait till Shadowlands when the pet dies to cleave, the 4 sec pet rez can be indefinitely blocked, and SV has no focus to attack with and see what that “best design” gets em.
I’ve actually never read Harry Potter and I’ve only seen the first movie.
My name’s a reference to union labor language; a Scab is a strikebreaker, and I’m the GM of a mining guild on an RP server. A goblin being named after someone willing to break the picket line if the money is right is extremely on-point for my race.
:^)
You need to understand Bepples and Xaedys for what they are; people who spend a lot of time on the WoW forums from their workplace, arguably more time than they spend logged into the game.
This lifestyle breeds a certain sort of animosity and pretentiousness, particularly in the modern forum environment where people are easily silenced by tactical reports. The saccharine holier-than-thou posting style was once countered by open vitriol a decade past, but the over-moderation of the present forums validates a certain level of recreational outrage if expressed under a guise of intellectual maturity; not unlike the Elitist Jerks forums back in the day.
That’s a problem that’s going to affect all 3 specs, unfortunately. It’s a very big problem though. It’s even going to doom marks against specs that are particularly oppressive towards mobility.
Killing the pet was already a valid strategy against surv and BM in BFA that thankfully went unnoticed by the formulaic modern WoW player. The new cast time simply makes it supremely obvious to other players how good of an idea it is to kick the pet rez.
Weird that your hunter has zero raiding experience even back in Cata, then. Anyway, you’ve not raided in near on a decade, so ya, your opinion there is still irrelevant when it comes to PvE, by your own logic. You clearly have some experience in PvP, but in PvE you haven’t even completed “hold my hand so I can see the content” mode.
(spoilers) For reference, Scabbers was Ron Weasley’s mouse. It was revealed in the third novel/movie that he was in fact one of the members of Harry’s dad’s group of 4 back at Hogwarts in their day, Peter Pettigrew, and that furthermore he was the one that betrayed them to Voldemorty and directly caused their deaths. He spent the rest of the series being a sniveling minion/abuse target for Voldemort.
To be fair, MM loses a lot less from it. Granted my PvP experience is basically zilch, but my understanding is that the pet for MM is mostly there for MS, Master’s Call, and Roar of Sacrifice. BM and SV need it for the same, plus half to 3/4ths of their damage rotation. So MM at least just loses the utility, while SV literally can’t even actively regen focus without their pet.