I think the big difference as far as the BE’s view of her is that they don’t have the direct connection to her they had with Sylvanas. Sylvanas was literally their Ranger General, and the only one of the Windrunners to stay and help defend against the Scourge.
And through her and their interactions with the Forsaken under her, they had a shared hatred of the unfreed undead still under Arthas control and Arthas himself.
Calia just feels like an outsider since, despite being hunted by Arthas and having to bear the stain he left on her family name, because she wasn’t scourged and wasn’t even killed by the Scourge in the first place. The whole ressurected by the Light thing always felt shoehorned in, and just never quite fit right. Same reason a lot of the Forsaken don’t trust her either.
Honestly, I think it would have worked a lot better if she’d been rezed by a group of Forsaken/Ebon Hand Death Knights who were citizens of Lorderon in life. Would have been way more interesting narratively. And a lot more in line with the narrative aspects of her attempts to champion them before she was assassinated for the effort.
Yep, if at some point after Arthas was gone and she didn’t feel at risk she had come back to just be with her people and had just been Forsaken, then stepped into the role, that would have been fine. To have her come in at the exact moment Sylvanas was going completely off the rails to try to then claim her place as a Menethil is suspicious. All of her actions are suspicious. And now we have an Alliance stronghold close to one of our own. Right now we are at peace so it doesn’t matter, but it could eventually.
Their steps don’t help her ease into the Forsaken nor the Horde, it creates unease along the way.
Transnational legislative branch would be more about cooperative projects, things like that, I imagine.
There can be both an all-encompassing Horde council that works to establish mutual cooperation while also having legal autonomy, in my mind.
Things like the Barrens, which seems to be a region that has Orcish and Tauren settlements within it, would be something that likely requires Horde juristiction to operate cooperatively.
Also, matters of Horde-wide threat, like Alliance invasion or other sorts of conflict that threatens a Horde member tribe, clan, etc would likely need to be discussed by the Council.
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Regardless of what happens with the Horde going forward, Org needs an update badly.
My list of narrative wishes regarding the Horde from playing since Vanilla Beta.
Make the Echo Isles a REAL troll city/settlement. We killed Zaldazane over 20 years ago, and we have the Zandalari in the ranks now. This is so long overdue that it’s just sad.
Actually DO something with the Mulgore Tauren that isn’t just having Baine sit in a corner sulking or going on a mindless rampage that makes negative sense regarding his character. Why was the retaking of the Southern Barrens Storyline scrapped? Why haven’t we had anything regarding the Grimtotem abandoning their duty to protect the Doomstone at the end of Cata?
Why aren’t the Taunka official (playable) members of the Horde? I expect we’ll FINALLY get this in The Final Titan whenever we go back to Northrend, but why was that storyline scrapped from the start of Legion?
There needs to be more cross-interaction and presence between the Blood Elves and the Nightborne in both Suramar and Silvermoon. Both groups unified at the end of Legion. And even furher unified now that their leaders are literally married to each other. Despite the fact that Lor’themar and Thalyssra got married solely because they legitimately fell in love with each other, from a political standpoint that literally makes Silvermoon and Suramar a single unified kingdom under a single noble family rule thanks to the fact that Lor’themar is King in all but official name (since as RegentLord, he is holding the throne for literally no one since all of the Sunstriders are dead dead).
Rebuild the actual City of Lorderon. And have the Forsaken make efforts to help cleanse Tirisfall Glades of the Scourge Pestilence. This is just logical from multiple angles, especially with the Plaguelands recovering.
Let us see more background interaction from various races in various Horde cities and territories. Vulpera supply caravans travelling up and down Durotar and across the barrens. I want Nightborne gondolas taking folks on scenic tours of the rivers that flow through the Eversong Woods. And actual set of Embassy buildings for the various races in Org (bonus points for them being themed appropriately in construction) and a REAL council chamber for the leadership in Grommash Hold.
Suramar restored and turned into a REAL capitol city BY DEFAULT. Stick a Bronze Timekeeper outside so folks can swap back and forth from real city to Legion version if they want/need to just like we have for the Vale of Eternal Blossoms, Uldum, the Undercity, and Silithus.
I like to think I am immune to the Glup Shizzo effect, but i would squeal and point at the screen if we ever saw the unshackled again, even in a cameo role
sheesh, seems like you have a lot of different people here, different groups, that work and think different
ITs almost like you need some kind of unified leader, to unite all this horde together… like you know a chief, that would be needed in questions related to war and logistics to be able to handle such big and lose group of people…
There’s no reason a Forsaken story needs to include Calia. She’s not even technically their leader, so it doesn’t come under the “leader as stand-in for entire race” setup. And Forsaken stories were never about the royal family of Lordaeron before, so there’s no reason they need to be that now.
I think the horde should work like pre-ceaser rome where in times of war a warchief would be elected that at the end of the crisis would then cede that power back to the council just like the roman dictators
Nah she was ignored for most of her life, she should go back to being that given that the only people who don’t accept her are the forsaken themselves.
The narrative needs to stop shoving it in your face that the Horde did bad things and should feel guilt over it. We know they did bad things. It was awesome and I hope they do it again.
I’ve always been fascinated how according to the Exploring Azeroth series, Scholomance is STILL holding an effective siege against the Argent Dawn.
I think bringing the Barovs into the Forsaken would be a splendid ceasefire, as well as bringing MUCH needed necromantic knowledge to a powerbase that is going to desperately need it. Besides, they are rightful members of Tirisfal, and if the Desolate Council is going to move away from the figurehead power structure the Forsaken have clung to since their reanimation, extending clemency under the threat of extrajudicial punishment without KOTEB involvement would be an excellent way to develop Lordaerons powerbase again.
I find it supremely fascinating and compelling that the Horde has gone from a bumbling mass of brainwashed primitives… into a global, technologically advanced, multicultural society that is shockingly close to stumbling its way into discovering representative democracy while most civilizations haven’t even considered anything beyond monarchy. In less than 100 years.
Since the entire narrative drive of the post-WC3 Horde has been about turning classic Tolkien-esque expectations of the beast races on its head, taking this to an almost comical extreme is the most interesting thing to do, in my opinion.
While I would love playable Fel Orcs(If the Draenei can have Man’ari, why can’t we get a fel race?), Teron Gorefiend wouldn’t really make sense as a leader. He’s not a fel orc, you could argue that he’s not even an orc anymore, just an evil spirit that goes around stealing bodies. He was also Gul’dan’s number 2 guy. Not someone anyone should trust to be in charge of anything.
If they did bring in the Fel Orcs, it would probably have to be led by a new character. Or they could just say Kargath somehow survived BC and wants to rejoin the Horde now if they really want to get silly with it.
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