Re: ToC Lockout Charge

[Axxi-faerlina]

@Neckbear-arcanite-reaper

Combining heroic and normal lockouts for ToC to make people “not feel obligated to raid as much” is silly

Yep!

Especially when you read their explanation as to why.

@Pazorax-1880

Our original concern was with players feeling “required” to do the same raid multiple times per week in order to “keep up,” but that came more from the original experience of Trial of the Crusader than from Naxxramas.

ToC was the first raid to have no trash. It’s quite possible that the people who complained about it didn’t like it, because it didn’t feel like the other raids, which felt a lot like dungeons. As an aside, I actually really liked ToC, but don’t really like Violet Hold.

Anyway, then they go on to explain:

@Pazorax-1880

players have pointed out that in many cases they want to be able to run the 25-player version of the raid with their guild, while pugging the 10-player version. Ultimately, that positive social aspect of having raids of various sizes available each week is compelling to us, and fits our goal of providing a vibrant social ecosystem, for friendships to form and develop in.

But I mean, that exact same explanation of “providing a vibrant social ecosystem, for friendships to form and develop in.” applies to being able to do both Normal and Heroic. Heroic raiders may very well want to run Normal with PuGs for fun, and/or to build their off-spec or off-off-spec, and that provides exactly the same experience.

How many weeks of running Normal and Heroic are you really going to have? And what’s that going to mean (adding a second — or third raid night? Is that really a bad thing?).