I guess, but there are loads of people farming ele plateau and other common spots only accessible to flight. When in combat only a Druid can run; and a deep affliction lock will kill almost everything excluding rogue / priest / mage because the DoTs are ridiculous.
You want PvE to be all they focus on. Doesnât make it so.
When it is the very core of the game itself, being a PvE story driven game they very well should focus on that crowd. Those who solely PvE are larger than you PvP try hards. Those who enjoy both activities, are larger than you PvP try hards. If Blizzard had carved that cancer out, those of us who enjoy both activities would have been just fine. A whole community wouldnât be being bled dry, and those of us who dabble in both aspects of the game would have had faster queue times.
If you think no one plays pvp, and itâs a mini-game, how do any changes to it kill your faction? You canât have it both ways. If horde being able to PvP KILLS the alliance, then maybe, just maybe people care about pvp
People that call pvp a mini-game are not interested in any kind of real debate
Well, if they keep this in, it sounds like we both get our way. All the PvP try hards will be Horde, and weâll have instant queues because we can just fight other Horde!
Win-win!
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Alliance - PvP is a mini-game side portion of the game no one plays
Also Alliance -I swear to god if horde can pvp Iâm quitting the game and alliance are dead
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The majority of you do not play it. A change like this for players that dabble in both will look for the side with more victories and active players. The try hard community being majority Horde draws in a higher win rate. So what do you think those who dabble in both sides of the activity are going to do? Theyâre going to go Horde which in turn increases the pool of people to do the PvE content for them. This in turn will take members from Alliance as now top end guilds for both sides of the content and the most activity are Horde. Which in turn will attract the PvE crowd over as they are suffering shortages of players for their activities.
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Also Horde - I swear if you do not make major game changes because of a player made problem, we will quit the game.
Literally no one will play a game with those queue times, be realistic, I appreciate the alliance that can admit that the queue times were unacceptable
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And I can appreciate Horde who actually admit that the queue problem was not a game related issue and that of a player issue. If as many PvPers had gone Alliance as Horde the problem would have never existed in the first place.
if your server has an hour long login queue then just transfer to a lower population one.
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I prefer:
Alliance: This is an absolute player created problem by everyone going Horde.
Horde: It is not player created, this is Blizzardâs fault and Blizzard should fix it.
Also Horde:
Alliance: Blizzard, this change is causing people to go Horde hurting our communities and you need to do something about it!
Horde: Fân crybabies, if theyâre leaving for Horde then that is the playerâs problem not Blizzard!
Hypocrisy levels through the roof.
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The funny thing about that is, this would actually be a legit solution to this issue is if these cry babies quit. For horde and alliance.
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Youâre not wrong, but sadly that was never likely to be the case.
If you think leaving the issue alone is a fix then youâre ignorant.
Match making in a pvp game should never be an hour long. The most it should be is 20 minutes.
I think youâve been digging under the mountain for far too long. Youâre brain is filled with rocks.
Youâre right it shouldnât. Which is why you should try to fix the actual issue which is balance. Turn on free faction xfers from horde to alliance. If it works, then great. If it doesnât, then thatâs what you choose to deal with.
Thatâs also a bandaid fix as well, but yes I do think blizzard should have tried it first. I think some would move but the issue would remain the same. Iâm staying horde because I donât plan on being level 70 till phase 3. So if Faction change is out I might move. I find alliance issue in Bgs to be worse than Horde ques. Mind you if same Faction stays then horde will have the same issues alliance have. Edit: thats also why I want fixes to premades, bot, and AFKers
Again Iâve wanted same Faction Bgs for a long time. It should have always been in game.
ya bring HvH back plss blizz
That is objectively not a bandaid fix. This is a fix that is directly attacking the real issue. The issue isnât q times. The issue isnât horde dominating world pvp. These are products of the real issue which is imbalance.
The only direct changes or direct answers to this problem at this point is either A. Allow for a optional faction change so people can balance the factions or B. Quite literally force people to faction change so it balances the factions.
There are no other answers that DIRECTLY target the real issue here. Merc mode is working around the issue. Same faction bgs are working around the issue. And they cause more harm than good in the long run. Same faction bgs are a terrible idea that completely ignore the history of what these type of changes does to a game in the long run. Thereâs no discussion about it.
#1 yes Faction changes are a bandaid. You will not get enough horde to move alliance just for que times. People have established guilds, friends, etc. You will only get Solo players who just started in TBC to move over. So still not enough players to balance factions on pvp server or for Bgs. This is why same Faction Bgs make sense. Itâs why Iâve always wanted it in the game. Horde have always had que times. Then all you alliance rerolled. Donât blame old horde players like me.
#2 I donât care about your world pvp drama. Stop making wpvp part of this issue. Alliance out number the horde on most pve servers. I was once on a pvp server in OG vanilla. Back then alliance out numbered Horde. Youâre not special just because itâs flipped. Guess what I moved pve and it solved my issues. Maybe you should do the same. Wpvp gets broken in TBC anyways because of flying mounts. Why do you think The wpvp community cried until blizzard added in pathfinder?
Seriously pvp drama is why this game is in a bad state and why itâs always been in a bad state. Stop crying about your Faction imbalance when you made the choice to be on a pvp server. Itâs a well known fact that they are always imbalanced. 
Also yes I rolled horde knowing que timesâŚwe always had ques thatâs not new. Again 1 hour is way above what it should be for any Pvp game. I have no problem leaving wow because ques are broken. It wonât bother me at all. I just feel bgs needs a complete fix. If you donât feel the same way then I donât care about your opinion.