This is a super all or nothing look for a want that’s currently on track to get nothing.
Path of least resistance is the rule of the day from blizzards stand point is what it looks like. “Need not apply” is hyperbolic and dismissive for the exclusion of a feature reality check — you won’t get until ICC at the very earliest.
I’d love to be nice and constructive about this, but let’s face it we’re compromising from a position of power here, if you’re dismissive, hyperbolic, or gaslighting I’m very capable of rubbing ur nose in the fact that you probably won’t get rdf at all and you can die mad. K?
Your reply is not conducive to having a conversation or in anyway valid input.
We have had a compromise, it was when the feature released in original LK, people used one or the other or both actively. Want it or don’t want it but be honest in your dislike of RDF
and don’t hide behind socialization and a community that isn’t reality outside of guilds or discord.
Im aware of the “track to getting nothing”, its wrong for me as I still get LK and will still play. If it’s added ill be happier in my time spent, if not oh no i guess ill just keep doing what i have been and be completely fine if a bit bummed.
Im not quite sure why you bring up when it was implemented, it was the best stop gap for a long content draught and brought a refreshing change to leveling specifically in regards to alts.
you say it didnt come out until the second to last patch, which was a very long one, long enough to be close 40%ish of the time Lk was the live game. It was a large aspect of the game for many, even if it wasn’t one for you.
your edits are hard to keep up with, but they just seem to be petty insults. I have not gaslit you at all. you keep using that word and i don’t think you’re correct. you are in no way in a position of power in this any more so then i am. Do you have the ability to add/remove function from the game? no you do not. just because the preferred way you want to play is going to continue to be the norm does not give you any power, real or fake.
If you want to waste your time “rubbing my nose” in things, not getting RDF isn’t gonna make me “die mad”. Accusing people of gaslighting you while you throw insults like “die mad plz” is absolutely abhorrent to those who have been abused via gaslighting tactics, be better.
You’re right you haven’t gaslit me, like others in this thread have. You were hyperbolic dismissive and unconstructive, and very all or nothing in a way that certainly doesn’t help your case. So we can add projection about being not conducive to a real discussion, but no you’ve certainly not gaslit me personally.
Nothing i said was hyperbolic, please point to where you claim I was. Everything i post is based on my own experiences playing this game since launch of TBC.
“Path of least resistance” is in reference to that being a bad faith argument by the Anti side of the RDf situation.
Take it as you will since i cannot control other peoples receptions to opinions of others, i can mitigate in my tone of writing but thats all.
Nothing i stated was an end all of the thread, nor did i make any direct personal attacks to posters within. If you wanted to engage on the topic you would have, theres room too. you chose indignance and to lash out.
Im done here, im not going to spend time talking to someone who ends their posts with “die mad” and claims gaslighting on people who haven’t. Be better.
Again. You want to remove an actual Wrath feature because it’s not “classic enough” for you and replace it with a feature from retail as it fits your mental model of how everyone should play the game?
I disagree but I appreciate your ability to talk about points that mean more or less to you in the system, I thinks that if we did find a solution that checked 90% of the boxes for most people it would be an easy sell to blizz especially if it’s already implemented in a version of wow retail.
I’m Not gonna be bullied out of talking by all or nothing rdf whiners, but at the end of the day I’m here to help us reach a concensus, when I could easily sit back and enjoy my rdf-less wrath when it comes out.
Because I do believe if we could all give a little we could have something better and show bliz some good ideas for retail too.
More or less what a lot of what’s being said boils down to.
Even blizz mentioned wanting to model their potential replacement after the retail tool. outrage when? it’s a directly retail feature being added to classic.
I don’t want to remove it, I’m happy it won’t be implemented, a decision blizzard has already made.
This thread isn’t about my opinion or any defense of my happiness at the lack of implementation, I don’t need that, my needs are already being met. I made this post to discuss common ground ways to make more people that just those in my camp happy.
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As I said in the other thread the minimum requirements for me would be:
- Provides a large enough player pool regardless of which server you choose to realistically do group content for all levels 1-80
- Disallows gatekeeping by groups due to ilvl, GearScore, class, or spec while also enforcing group roles
- Allows the player to go and do other things while waiting for a group. Being stuck in one place while watching through scrolling text is not a solution
- Should be first come first serve based on role to ensure all players get a fair chance to actually do the content (related to the above gatekeeping)
Does this feature sound familiar?
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Or…
We could just have RDF like was in OG WotLK.
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Unfortunately we can’t always get what we want… but sometimes you get what you need.
You don’t really get to dictate the bare minimum for a feature you’ll be lucky if it’s added at all. So maybe if it’s not, then classics not the game for you. Completely understandable.
Anti-LFD seem to be as desperate as possible to find any system that isn’t LFD, despite the fact LFD works just fine.
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Talk about realistic. I dismissed “we won’t settle for any less than the original rdf” silliness. That’s not a compromise
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Why should there be a compromise?
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This is text book dismissive arguing. People know they aren’t currently getting it, doesn’t stop them from advocating for it.
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Without those 3 items, you are literally just putting a better interface on LFG BB while not solving any of the current problems. Putting a system into the game that doesn’t solve the problems it is trying to address is pointless.
Also, if players just stayed quiet when they weren’t getting what they wanted, we wouldn’t have Classic.
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You’re right I’m good with how things stand right now. Wonderful, I’ll stop airing any opinion more compromising than “go play another game or ask me to nicely in whisper to tank your groups nerds”
your compromise isn’t a compromise and your nor I are in a position to offer the other anything at all close to a compromise. RDF is an all or nothing system, remove one component and it radically changes the tool. it either has use or is useless. removing the things like teleportation, cross realm, etc just make the tool useless.
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