oh, you are precious. you realize these “experts” these devs you are citing. do get things wrong. like factions like not adding flying to wod continuing the trend of AP, there are too many things these “experts” got wrong. its cute you think its settled.
btw, if you can’t question it, and its settled that means its more likely that its propaganda. sorry i don’t buy into that if its not questionable. i’d take an official poll from blizzard on the forums. they won’t do it. and you wouldn’t accept it. because you know that you guys would get smashed. but the experts are right? i wonder how many times these experts have been wrong in the past? oh wait we’ve given you a number of these receipts.
if you think heroic + is going to the savior of dungeons you are mentally handicapped this point.
easy. leave it to the servers to decide their fate. if you’re in the minority so sorry. you care so much about server identity this quite literally destroys the server identity. never mind that pvp is cross realms as well. but heaven forbid you have dungeons queueable and the daily rewards be attached to it!!! the horror!!!
They do, but thistime they have hindsite snd chose a different direction.
Which means they got it wrong the first time and are doing it correctly this time. They have years of data to look at with rdf being added, and can see the effects it had short and long term. And with that knowledge they chose no rdf for classic.
You mean loke the claims made in favor for rdf? “You cant make a group with out it” “the game will die without it” “its needed for the small realms to even have the slightest chance of grouping”
All of which are false propaganda used to support the “need” for rdf.
Dungeons dont need saving. It is more than possible to do them, even now, the last day of phase 1. I even just did 2 dungeons for my was lvl 68, now 70 dk. A mana tombs and sethek halls. Had the quest exp as well so that helped get that last bit of level. And it took maybe 5 minutes to form the mana tombs, and after that finished jumped right into someone elses group for the SH.
Theres a different between making a change so an aspect of the game is playable, and making a change because it might be slightly inconvenient to form a group to do the content.
If WG was left server specific, it would have been unplayable for 99% of the playerbase.
Vs dungeons, which if your claims were true (which they arent) would mean maybe 10% of the playerbase couldnt do dungeons.
They have no data, since they never once asked players about RDF.
And shoving Mythic dungeons into Wrath is meant to appeal to whom, I wonder. Not casuals who considered Heroics their endgame. Not hardcores who gear through Raids anyway. It is content without an audience. And that’s just at endgame. The lack of RDF completely kills the 1-79 dungeon experience.
This latest notion by the trolls that Blizz only does things that the players want and the data supports is nonsense. Blizz sunk this game with their data and metrics. They’ve proven over the past 10 years that they have no clue what the players want. That their own egos govern game design and it takes years of pushback for them to finally admit they’re wrong.
What the Classic Clowns should have done is simply provided a game built by competent designers. Designers who grew the game to 12 million subs. Why? Because they understood the mmo playerbase. But 2023 Blizz needs to insert themselves into the mix to showcase how they can do it better! Except they can’t. That’s been proven time and time again.
Yeah because Heroic+ will see value for mains for like 2 or 4 weeks but after that its raid logging ulduar… you know the same thing that happened last phase? people did world tours for like 2 weeks and fell off. Heroic+ is mainly there for alts and like retail, people will skip heroic dungeons for Mythic and Mythic+ dungeons, meaning regular heroic will be irrelevant.
Yes sure, say Blizzard has the data all you want and I don’t have the data which is true, but I have played since OG Vanilla, the social dynamic back than is night and day difference compared to the re-release and to say the social dynamic is the same as it was 16+ years ago, you must be on heavy rose tinted goggles man.
RDF will be back or classic will see dwindling player numbers. Don’t worry everyone, it will be back at some point. Then we can all return and enjoy the game as it was in 2009. This is called classic right? Haha.
They’ve got data like two whole dungeon groups on a server being run at the same time. The dungeon experience is thriving!!
A troll actually boasted about that earlier. It was hysterical.
I honestly don’t think it’ll be in Wrath Classic. I truly believe the Classic Team’s egos can’t handle admitting they were wrong. And/or they can’t be bothered to get it to work. I do think it’ll be in Cata Classic though.
What and you do? You have better data I suppose? Blizz has all the data they could ever want and need. What they don’t have is a good reason to put RDF in Wrath Classic which is fine because neither do you.
Is that the same designers that grew the game to 11 and a half millions subs before RDF? Just want to clear that up because its like your suggesting RDF helped bring the game to 12 million subs from 2004-2010. Where were subs 6 years after RDF single handedly made WoW the greatest MMO ever?
Why talk about data if youre just gonna ignore most of it?
Which is funny coming from you since before they announced Wrath Classic you were of the opinion RDF hurt the game. Its even funnier that in the 7 months since then you think you could do better and that you know better with the non data you just accused Blizz of not having.
no, no, no, no. you see i can make a group. i just don’t want devote more than 30 minutes to making a group to do a singular dungeon. spending this time actively making a group. so unappealing to do a piece content that offers so little in return i’d rather just not do it. it has never been about social skills, its never been about having friends to run a dungeon with. its the fact if i log into the game and i’m not raiding, pick up something and just doing it on my own, if i had to wait i’d be happy. but as i said and you clearly can’t comprehend this. at the time i posted only two people were looking for dungeon groups. dungeons are real winners right now. 2 dungeon groups rest were Neo runs mostly GDKP runs. no one wants to do dungeons in this state. what is the most important thing about this game? you won’t be able to answer this.
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how would it be unplayable for 99% of the player base… are you mentally devoid of rational coherent thought processes? if benediction is 99.5% alliance uhh bruh thats 99.5% of the player base they have access to the zone… how do they not have access to WG. have you lost your brain. did you go to the supermarket and get mugged and they sawed off the cap of your skull and stole your brain? seriously my dude what are you talking about. this is the dumb argument against having WG being server based because this argument doesn’t even make sense. just stop please spare us you mental degradation.
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i stand by this statement reading your comments leaves everyone dumber for it. you quite literally do bring down the average IQ of everyone you are around. dungeons don’t need saving? what happened to dungeons being the back bone of creating a social environment. oh, right you realized that was a loser of an argument now its on to not saving dungeons. because they are at their worst state in this game. oh my you are using anecdotal evidence to justify your argument oh my goodness that means dungeons are in a perfectly grand state. or maybe you spent forever yelling for a dungeon. or maybe you had an 80 buddy carry you through the dungeon like you have everyone carry you through your raids. now i know you didn’t do mana tombs in 5 minutes not with out an 80 in the group.
your claim that dungeons don’t need saving is fraudulent at best. RDF would put more players in dungeons more often. i’d be leveling a newer toon from level one. i have zero desire to level under this pathetic systems we have. i have no reason to do any dungeons in outlands, Vanilla or wrath content. if anything i’d rather just go to a GDKP run. and get carried and get gear.
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