Yes yes he was. Daddy D is eternal.
He also wasn’t your standard evil villain. He was calm, collected, he even beats the crap out of his son and instead of killing him tries to teach him. He schemed like a champ and only gets really angry when we finally push him too far in the raid.
I also like N’zoth for the same reason. They did him dirty at the end of his raid.
G’huun was not particularly memorable(aside from his whole backstory of being an old god test subject he hardly had any lore implications nor any lines people remember him by). The sha of fear was not the final boss of the first raid, it was the will of the emperor. Imperator Mar’gok wasn’t that popular as well/certainly never to the level of Ragnaros or Sire D.
The rest basically have ties to the RTS hence why they are more memorable or at least important(although honestly Magtheridon never had too much of a narrative weight). I’d also point out unlike everyone of them Razageth managed to accomplish her goal and set in motion the events that will have a major effect on the rest of the expansion. Everyone one of these other final bosses all failed.
You’re looking at this from a 2023 perspective.
In 2005, who the heck was Ragnaros? There was no story behind him at the time while he was current. Magtherion? He was a pit lord. That’s all I know about him. Sha of Fear was a collection of Panda Bear emotions. Mar’gok was who again? G’huun was who again?
Sire D… I take back what I said about SL. There was 1 good part about it. He was carried hardcore by his voice actor. That dude was not paid enough.
I digress… bottom line, Raz seems to fit right in mid-tier of this list for me.
Bingo on all of all this except Sha of Fear. He was not the final boss of the first raid, again it was Will of the Emperor.
Raz isn’t even worthy to be considered a dollar store knockoff of a villian. Canonically, nothing the expansion has to offer is a credible use of our time/effort. The only small smidgen of hope is that Blizzard is taking this “down time” where nothing of actual importance is going on to build up to a massive danger that otherwise blindsides us.
Personally, my hope is that the aspects are setting us up to betray us. Their charge is to AZEROTH and NOT us and it can be reasoned that WE are the biggest danger to her because of our own inability to stop waging deadlier and deadlier wars as well as attract bigger and badder threats to her. Using us to power them back up at our own time/expense while ensuring we don’t bring any actual/official faction military might kills multiple birds with 1 stone.
But yeah, I’m so anti DF largely because the absolute lack of story is trash and the blatant attempt to reign us in from literal god slaying champions to nameless adventurers again just so classic andy comes back to retail for a few weeks to crap on the game because “things are different than what I remember almost 20 years ago…waaah waaah change is hard”.
Edit - Based off what we’ve been dealing with and the “threat” posed by Raz, she should be, at most, a side quest final objective. Going from “literal god with the theoretical power to literally erase and/or rewrite the very laws of reality and creation itself” to “angry proto dragon with the power to make the weather unpleasant” is such a massive letdown.
Ragnaros and Neltharion had 2 zones building up to them and their war. Also took weeks to finally unlock him because people didn’t know the rep grind… People who played WC3 Knew who Maghteridon was. Sha of fear wasn’t just panda bear emotions. He was one of a few curses left on Azeroth when an old god died that became monsters. They were part of a larger story. They were giving us lore about a more powerful being and how the pandarans had to learn to cope with themselves so they don’t destroy everything. You ignoring lore doesn’t mean people don’t care…
Your list has those that:
A) were not connected to the story, or there was no connecting story
B) came in the second, or later, raid
C) shared the tier with others, or had one after them
My list of who Raz has to match against, strictly from a 1st raid/1st tier would be: Ragnaros/Ony, Prince/Mag/gruul, Kel/Maligos/Sarth, Nefarion/Al’Akir, Mantid Queen (last boss of vault was no villain), Imperator, Xavious, G’huun and Sire.
Oh right, I completely forgot he was in that. OK, I take it back - Magtheridon would go above Razzy on the hypothetical “tier list of first tier raid bosses of WoW and its expansions”
Still though, it’s anyone’s race as to who fills up the mid to low tier… they all are equally worthless loot pinatas. But that’s all they were ever meant to be, so what’s it matter really?
Every encounter voiced by the razageth voice actress would benefit if the character yelled “I want to speak with the manger”
LOL yep. Just ignore the RPG part of MMORPG.
Now now. Let’s not compare her to a Karen. That is being very mean to the angry temper tantrum throwing little sister character.
Depends on what you mean, he had a good chunk of lore, just not a lot of “story” as of yet. They’ve backported a lot of narrative elements onto him and he’s become an iconic. Razageth doesn’t have lore hooks to backport narrative onto though so that’s not going to happen (it wouldn’t happen anyways in her case).
Ragnaros and Onyxia were basically defining of the entire journey of the starting player experience, almost every conflict, from the Defias Brotherhood to Redridge to Searing Gorge to Badlands to Searing Gorge or Wetlands, went back to one or the other.
Former Lord of Outland. His blood empowered the Fel Orcs of Draenor. It took the combined might of Illidan, Kael’thas, and Vashj to chain him beneath the keep.
I didn’t respect Panda lore initially. But it has started to grow on me. And the Sha of Fear was the Sha responsible for driving the conflicts in the max level Panda zones and also laid the thematic groundwork for Garrosh giving into his fear and turning to the power of the Old Gods.
Final boss of the first raid tier. Nighthold is considered part of the first raid tier in Legion for instance.
Absolutely. BFA and SL trained me well.
Game was much better if you treated it as an MMO… with no other letters.
Actually nah, game sucked something awful then too, but at least you didn’t have to endure the story if you didn’t pay attention.
She succeeded at her goal though.
So I would toss him in as sharing the spot with Xavious at worst, as Nighthold was the 2nd raid but still first tier (and some might consider Helya as the last boss of the tier as her raid came out after NH but before ToS). Dragonflight is one of the expansions where the sole raid with release is the entire tier (others being BFA and SL).
Cataclysm seemed to flesh out Rag a bit more, true… but you can’t give a boss bonus points on the suggestion Blizzard might flesh them out more after their raid tier. You’re probably right, but who knows, maybe next expansion is World of Warcraft: Revival - starting Razageth as the fricken Horde Warchief.
By that standard, she would become the best thing ever created potentially. Certainly in the last 4-5 years.
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Your timeline is off. It was developed after Nighthold but it released before Nighthold.
My bad there, but it was another one that can throw a wrench into the discussion of “last boss of intro raid/tier”
No one is worse than Zovaal. He literally did absolutely nothing his entire expansion.
It’s true. He just kind of stood there. Pretty much exactly like Arthas did for all of Wrath.