You can pretend you’re a victim as much as you want. You can misrepresent my criticism of you as much as you want.
If you keep pretending that you know what other people are thinking, I’m going to keep pointing out how disingenuous that is, especially for someone who has hardly any playtime in the context we’re talking about.
Oh the irony HAHAHAHAHAHHA
I’m not against premades at all, as long as they’re played fairly and genuinely. What I’m against is the abuse of fairness, and the attitude that sometimes comes with it on this forum. It’s unsportsmanlike and very arrogant.
I’m sure there are plenty of great players in your premade, but when you make sweeping generalizations or dismiss people without truly understanding their point of view - it inevitably creates a toxic environment.
Frankly, your elitism is a poor attitude and your compassion for those who are affected by your gameplay is zero. If I were part of your premade, I’d honestly be embarrassed if this kind of attitude was what represented me or my team.
It’s about keeping things fair and respectful for everyone, not using a sense of superiority to put others down. The fact you feel the need to do so - speaks volumes about the person who actually sits behind your computer. Not your character who you choose to mask yourself as, but the real you.
It’s funny because as much as they appear to be against premades…they themselves premade the forums, LOL.
Edit: confirmed that some of them are the same person on multiple accounts. Go figure. 
It’s funny because it’s been stated multiple times that nobody is against premades; they are against sync queuing. But that doesn’t align with the popular talking point that people who don’t do it just don’t have friends, so they ignore it and keep saying things like this.
Apples to oranges you are deflecting your own statement rhetoric and standing. No one is failing to understand what you are saying; you just keep adding gymnastic to further enforce the absurdity of whatever it is your going about.
Here’s why I say “apples to oranges, so we all can get it”
You are defending and promoting a toxic game breaking behavior that this topic is seeking to RESOLVE, not concede to. That’s one of the reasons at the top of list why your continuation is disruptive to my shared topic for people upset with the same reason, seeking resolution in discussion, unsure if you are trolling or grievously off topic, doesn’t matter really, take is somewhere else make your own topic defending it- this ain’t that
Warrant You are defending a rhetoric of picking basketball players, on this forum it is disruptive for this simple break down of how anyone would read it
Citing your own words
How can you not see the absurdity and conflict seeking nature your words have as disruptive to the literal title of the topic? Trolling I hope for your own health I’ll wish the best that all is well enough. Not here.
Paraphrasing what you wrote in what it is read as;
Quote:
I think it’s totally fair and the new normal for the whole world especially world of Warcraft to normalize and that is reasonable to pick an entire NBA team to take on a high school basketball or at best a Division 3 or club basketball team or people not on a cooperative level, further more I thinks it’s totally fair if we hunger games pick all the high school basketball players from different teams at random to face LeBron James and Shaq, this is what makes sense to me.
Dude you need help. Let me help you by offering a solution. Go make your own forum topic please. I would close this forum if I knew how lol. Disgusted where it’s lead to, this is for people unified for a disdain for the
“Que dodge exploitation macro” that’s kade even “Random**” battlegrounds. miserable for conscionable, reasonable, like minded players. If you’re not getting that , or getting the responses you like. I just want to suggest one more time to go create your own topic and see if all the lot of those in favor of simp-sympathy to make the game unplayable in this way. You can all go watch it go down in flames together. It seems disruptiveness is what drives the lot of you anyway.
If you are not “ the you, in favor of them people , support cheat abuse or the macro , support destroying random BG as intended- for good”.
Cease and desist from saying that vicious cycle of word salad gymnastics here. This is welcome for word salad on topic for the topic not to argue it. If you want to argue it
one last time.
GO MAKE YOUR OWN TOPIC 
if you’re not getting it by now lol.
You’re wasting peoples eye space with this off topic trolling Garbo.
It’s funny, because I queue up for an epic and boom - there he is!
Pray tell, let the class know then. What would you like us all to know?
Care to provide some evidence?
olook, DJL/AVM farming chokes and GYs while ignoring a push. Sitting outside the spawn cave because people stopped feeding them kills lololol
popcorn
Get help dude… please… professional help.
Ah, no, that’s a completely accurate characterization of PVP players at large. Some people are less obsessive about it but hardcore PVP players will do just about anything if they think it’ll get them an advantage over other players.
We know this because unapologetic queue sync’ers like to talk about how they want to have ‘fun’ and just want ‘a good time’ when trying to justify their behavior, suggesting that they treat losing as a character flaw to be refused and avoided instead of part of playing PVP. They literally can’t enjoy themselves if they’re not winning and it’s relatively difficult for them to reliably win if they don’t have an unfair advantage. Which is why they play premade groups in epic BG’s and not something with a pretense of fairness like arenas. This is also why one of their most common responses is, “You just don’t like losing” as though some people should feel obligated to enjoy losing for the same reason they enjoy winning.
There is a salient point that people who want organized large group PVP are outta luck and have no options. Blizzard would be wise to create structured large scale group PVP systems for the people who want them, even if the underlying assumption is that these matches would rarely happen and require coordination to even get started.
Which… honestly that describes how AV worked back in '04 anyways. Most servers weren’t big enough to reliably get AV maps started so both factions had to coordinate.
It’s more that there’s no reward for playing ‘fairly’ and / or there’s no way to play the way they even want to.
People are going to abuse loopholes in the system when doing so isn’t punished.
Are these people character-swapping in the room with you right now?
Yes…lol. There’s at least four of them and they appear together instantly.
Bring us some proof. We would love to see it.
It’s me! I post on 49 characters to point out players doing bad things!
Hey random guy I don’t remember from any PvP ever!
I find it odd that you would think you have such a vast knowledge of everything. If you know what everyone is thinking why are you wasting time here and not trading equities or playing poker or something? Why waste your mind reading abilities on commenting about unrated WoW PvP?
but they’re not just playing with each other are they… using addons n stuff to not Que into certain lobby’s is direct gameplay sabotage and is 100% exploit/cheating and on top of that everybody who does that crap is an absolute gimp with clearly nothing going on in their life and need to get a dopamine hit wherever they can.
lol the irony when players like you are the real problem here…not the casual players just trying to play casual BG’s without them being a completely broken mess because a bunch of cellar dwellers can’t handle losing a game
Those of you just joining us. It’s gotten so out of hand (Refer to Topic Title). Soooo out of hand that you get games that try to end get down to 4-3-2 minutes and more poor souls get dragged in.
These are possible symptoms of the problem evolving and escalting to people paying for fake accounts to join and leave, DOUBLEING leavers, which leavers not being the problem but a symptom of the cancer of.
-Source, Upload your screen shots of Random Battle Grounds trying to end because game says reason: Not Enough Players
*Not Enough Players
it’s self-fueled perpetuating and unstoppable unless blizzard can some how engineer an algorithm or whatever to totally fix/change it/ make it un-abusable in this way.
Anyone worried that this is a mass ponzi sweat shop scheme invading the servers to destroy them and not just the premades at this point?
I feel like it’s both, you have the gold farm overseas sweat shop type deal market colliding with the premade macro abuse.
The average honest player.
Logs in to any random Bg to frequently see Tichondrious Even
Not Enough Players Game ending in 5 mins
Not Enough Players Game ending in 4 mins
Peace Out. Wasted my time I don’t know how I didn’t notice sooner.
I’ll pop back by when the popular You Tubers that report on the topic have real non-click bait evidence of a real solution driven by Zeal and Urgency and completely address the issue.
Plenty of PVP games you can play Solo that are easily aggravating but I have not ever seen the likes of what goes on now.
WOTLK, Christmas, 13 years Old
I guess Old Habits do
Die Hard
refM
If you think it takes a mind reader to observe human behavior and draw reasonable conclusions from it- people invest large amounts of time gearing out characters and min/maxing themselves for PVP for the expressed purpose of farming under geared, disorganized newbies- that’s on you.
Because some people play video games to have fun and it’s difficult to do that when your preferred PVP mode is flooded with people who are searching for a captive audience.
Because the PVP community has a reputation for being insufferably elitist, insular and isolationist and actively drives people away with this kind of behavior.