And where would RIO be useful? in the 16+ keys the ones who do M+ as their endgame hang out and work with those of similar attitudes or the up to +15s that the ones that just do them for gear, possibly to help out their guild in raids, or as a change of pace?
The pro-IO crowd can be just as stupid as the anti-IO crowd , as quite a few of them make it sound like we want the 16+ crowd, or actual pushers, to carry the lower ones.
Ideas, like timer less versions, have been put forth yet get shot down. There are just different kinds of players being forced, by the systems in place, to mesh. I don’t do above 15s, and if I did it would just be the occasional 16 for a +15 in the weekly chest, but even if I wanted to I’d expect to be denied most, if not all, groups unless they are labeled “clear” or “completion”, at least till I have more timed keys of higher levels.
The issue, and why topics like this get made, are when the attitudes of the +16 and higher crowd, leak down to the lower levels where those that are likely just after a weekly clear are going to be.
To sum it up:
- RIO is a godsend for those who do nothing but push keys and themselves higher and higher
- RIO is a flawed system that is used, and abused, for the players who are just doing the bare minimum in order to progress their character for content they might prefer more (I.E. raiding/PvP)
To top it off, some of the “anti-RIO” crowed recognize it has its uses, at and above certain levels, and we are more then happy to let it be used at those levels.
Quite a few of us likely would not, if it was not a way to gear up, up to certain points, but the fact gear progression, after WQs and normal raid ilvl, lacks a consistent path outside of M+ up to +15 (currently) means there will be those that do it just for the gear.
I think what we need is an M+ “challenge mode” for those that push keys, could easily be the forever scaling mode starting at +2 or not till +16 and what would be considered gearing M+, this latter would stop at +15, might be timed, might not be but would make it so the pushers and non-pushers never have to meet in groups and stop this kind of post.