Radiant Glory Preference | Ret Pally

gotcha ty

ive been simming myself the last hour or so lol

and every result is different lol

i post one shorty– i got a heroic Light Company which surpisingly is now over taking my champion puzzle box

ok heres a sim

light Company was top for 1 parse now its back to puzzle box…….

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get rid of the abc portion

first, put your buffs on. i dont see a reason why you would ever sim without raid buffs.

your box seems to be head by 3%?

which while small, considering we are at smaller numbers now. its still a solid metric ahead.

okay so, 30 second es build is like .6% behind. thats not surprising. considering how crazy es prio damage is.

like your right this raid is full of alot of smallies to pad. if it syncs you can es everything and ds everything to hit your prior target of es for massive amounts of damage.

what concerns me is that your like only7k ahead of me and that doesnt seem right for your ilvl. i could be wrong tho

who knows thats why i think the sims arent working properly

the 30s ES build is higher than using the Burning capstone as well, if you noticed =P

–or-

we are bugged and the capstone isnt working as stated?

For me, I ask myself the question: “Do I know EXACTLY the best time to use cooldowns to match the damage windows on this fight?”

If the answer is no, or maybe, or probably, or anything other than “Yes, I know this fight inside and out,” I pick 30 second wings and just go brain off.

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I’m pretty sure all the capstones are working as intended

I think things get more better as we get more ilvl

i dont sim with buffs because consumables are ultra expensive this season

so when i go to dummies i dont use buffs as its just too costly

and id like the testing done as accurately as possible

intersting how buffs totally change which template works better and what trinkets to use

as I see that my 289 haste trinket, which is always bottom of the barrell in my sims, overtook them all

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I like your style.

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?? i guess different people have different problems i guess

dummies are bugged, they wont give you similar results

I also don’t sim with buffs, at least classes ones, mostly because I almost only play M+.

Hence I’ll never have all the buffs to being with.

If I was raiding with a group, it would be different.

It pretty much means the same uptime for AW is you take radiant glory. I haven’t really noticed much of a difference between using it and not for raid and M+.

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10s - 12s ES is sort niche and doesn’t provide any noticeable advantage.

Pack usually dies so quickly that the funnel is not really a factor and it’s not that much of an increase in ST either.

Higher keys is where it gets interesting.

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Yeah, the uptime is exactly the same. For the most part you’re just deciding if content favors Execution Sentence or if you’re better off getting the wings boost on every Wake, HoL, DT, DH, etc. Execution sentence is very strong, but requires a specific set of circumstances to make full use of it.

There are other factors like how long you think mobs will live and if a fight will have a burn phase long enough to make use of a full 24 second wings, but hopefully the player knows that stuff going in.

I think ES is potentially strong enough to design pulls around - dragging adds into bosses that you might not usually (like Dragonhawks into Emberwing)

But all of this is reliant on pre planned pulls specific to the dungeon. If someone messes up and uses a cooldown that is “needed” to make that trash +adds pull work, like an AoE stun or whatever the situation needs, you have to instead finish the pack instead of pulling it to boss

…and then you’d probably rather have the 30s build there instead.


it needs to be mathed out, but the benefit of ES needs to be present enough to outweight the security and consistency of the 30s build.
(assuming someone isn’t at the very peak key level where dmg checks start to decide the timer, and the maximum potential dmg benifit of ES becomes “required”)

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I’ve had million damage ES on unplanned trash pulls.
It’s very impressive when you can pull it off.

I think the greatest thing about it is that its an option at all, a legitimate one, a true competitive different damage profile filling a worthwhile niche.

Being able to tailor that profile around what your group needs is a welcome addition and it also made ES finally whole.

That 30sec CD we had before became our bread and butter in ST, if you didn’t have it, your ST damage would be subpar.

Now our ST is decent regardless, It’s my favorite iteration of Ret to date.

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How viable do you think a 30 second build with ES would be? And what would you give up to take it?

More viable then crusade with rg since by time you ramp crusade with rg over half the duration is already is up (not to mention one minute AW with crusade you only ramp crusade once per minute vs twice per minute.)

I mean, for my character at the moment dropping burn to ashes, as Vendatha said, gives me something very similar to 30sec build and Es 1min on 1 target and 5 targets on patchwerk.

They are virtually equal.

Only on 8 targets does the 1min build pulls ahead the others and even then, by like 1.5-2%

And that’s probably only becauses all targets stay alive the whole time.

I tried simming with no crusade for reference and crusade is always last but not even by that much.

Like 2% max behind

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? you get 6 stacks from one hol and hol benefits from those stacks before it hits