Racials are a big issue for player choice

idk i just wish they where fun ones.
like orcs having a racial to become hostile to nearby allies, sudo beserk style.

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Blizzard should nerf Night Elves AND Dwarves! :wink:

It would make me sad, but I’m sure I’d adjust lol.

I’d actually prefer to see other races buffed, but I imagine that gets convoluted with balancing that between all the other systems.

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If everybody could just negate fight mechanics like Dwarves can, that would put fight design in a pretty pickle.

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Or they’d have to do what they did in Nathria and make certain mechanics not interact with racials. (And yes, I remember all the alliance tears over that and don’t really care lol.)

so it’s an instant suicide button every single time you use it on group content?

PvP is the only type of gameplay where racials make a meaningful impact on the gameplay of 99% of all players.

Man, imagine if I could just cleanse all debuffs off me instantly and scales the entire xpac since it’s % based

But nah, I get some AP which doesn’t scale and is cool at start then falls off lol

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You can overcome your racism, just accept the minor differences.

Oh please. Only the tippy top % of players even care about the racials as they relate to gameplay. Others would rather homogenize everything bc they think it’ll take away someone’s advantage over them. If you make all the racials available to all, they cease being racials and just become another talent/ability. This game is on the fast track to making races just a cosmetic you pick with nothing special about them other than appearance. Enjoy the ignore list Internet nobody.

kinda. /10
make the trade off super powerful. idk.

I got a free goblin glider

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For all of those that say that most people do not care about min/max it’s just not true in wow. People should have learned that from covenants, player fantasy and min/maxing conflicting with each others is rarely interesting.

While the dps difference between racial is rarely an issue, the utility some get nowaday in comparison is becoming a problem.

Dwarves and night elves should be balanced for pve.

Many racials utility should also be upgraded.

Let’s compare dwarf racial with this maghar racial for example:

  • Savage Blood - Reduces the duration of Poisons, Diseases, and Curses by 10%.

Can anyone see the problem here?

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Because of the snowball effect and tribalism. The Alliance only matters now, because the faction system collapsed.

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considering how many players don’t participate at all in “endgame content”, the absolutely staggering numbers that covenants presented back then was insane

leads me to believe the people not minmaxing have to be a single digit minority at best

This thread reeks of toxicity. Which to be fair is Blizzard’s fault for letting it occur in the first place.

Shamed for the wrong talents? Thanks Blizz for player choice again.

Denied a group because of your race? Well that’s just silly but good ol’ Blizz is right there clapping it on with extreme racials disparity.

Just get rid of racials smh.

there’s nothing toxic about not being invited because you’re a undead - neither is it toxic to not invite you when you don’t have your interrupt talented in dungeon or didn’t spec into your dispell during afflicted (or in general in these dungeons)

Basically this. It really doesn’t matter how close you get racials, the most relevant one for any fight is what RWF and HoF guilds will take, no matter how much they shorten the delta between racials. Short of designing new racials, the only thing they could really do would be to BTFO nelf and dwarf racials (and goblin jump tbh).

At any rate, Blizz makes money off race changes on the top .005% of players that truly need to abuse this for the content they do, so I doubt there’s a fire under them to change it.

It is toxic because you’re being punished for actively making your own choices. Talent trees and racials are player choice. The fact that you can join a dungeon without a kick is dumb in both directions. Dumb you didn’t take it. Dumb you don’t have a critical tool in your kit from the get go.

Racials are the same idea. Dumb your preferred race lacks anything meaningful. Dumb you don’t have an option to take whatever you want. Dumb they’re that powerful in the first place.

Player skill should trump player choice when this game is a glorified MMO-MOBA.

Yes and I DON’T care… stop making the game “balanced” for the top 0.1%. This isn’t a problem AT ALL for 99.9% of the population. You aren’t failing +25s or CE due to your racial… and if you’re going for +30s or HoF… then grow up and accept that you’ll have to pick what is literally the best of the best regardless.

The ONLY way to fix this is to flat out delete racials or make them universal. And no… I’m not ok with that… you could make the exact same argument for classes and specs and talents. Will the game be better or worse when all toons will be resolved to 3 buttons: damage, taunt, heal?

Sorry, but after watching the meta be all belfs and then all nelfs and now all dwarves… I. Don’t. Care.

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