Racial bonuses on retail pve content

Some racials need a looking into. The nightborne meme racial was funny, but could be much better.

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Theres 147,345 other ways to have meaningful choices in this game that dont force everyone to one faction or the other.

For the vast majority of players, there’s no real big difference. And even on the top of the elite’s … you are talking about what usually amounts to less than 1% difference.

There’s no one that’s forcing anyone to play something they don’t want to play. So this is a non-issue for casual players, since it is almost a non-issue for high tier players as well. The only folks that this really affects are the people who compete at the highest possible play but even then … each race has their own strategies that they can play around. Each race, class, and specialization combo affects all of this and much, much more as well to the point where folks don’t really care even when going for RWF, but it does play a bigger role in MDI and to a greater extent the AWC. But again… even there, all races have good options and strategies associated with them.

This is not something the average player has to care about in the slightest.

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Dwarf vs Void Elf is a bigger single target dps increase than swapping from a heroic → mythic track weapon on my hunter.

(220.7k → 226.3k for the race swap versus 222.3k → 226.3k for the weapon swap).

Bad play would kill that advantage, but some of the passive racials are actually pretty significant.

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i have history with Paladin tauren double stunning me for eternity.

There is roughly a .8% difference between those 2 (2.5% for the racial vs. 1.7% for the weapon).

And depending on your level of play, having the ability to cleanse yourself of any ailment would probably win between the two. The void elf ā€œblinkā€ makes its usage very limited

Don’t forget Void Elven ā€˜Preternatural Calm’; Your spell casts are not delayed by taking damage.

This can also be quite a difference depending on a situation? or am I seeing too much into how useful this is?

In PVE group play, that has pretty much no effect. I.e. casters should never be taking direct damage often enough for it to matter

Aw… thanks for shattering my dreams. (jk)

But back on main topic;

I always thought it would be neat to replace the racial system with an ā€˜upbringing’ system. Things you learned before you became an adult. Or however you want to RP it.
Some things ARE still race only, like Mechagnome robo things or DID molemachines. but the resistance to shadow or the 5 starting points in cooking, ect are things you learned before. They’d be ranked in active, passive and profession and you’d get x amount of points to distribute. Why wouldn’t a Worgen be able to learn Shadowmeld, Living along with Night Elves?

Optional ā€˜advanced settings’ you can do to customise your toon further, or just go with the default.

Not sure if we’re misunderstanding each other & do agree about the active utility being significant in certain circumstances. The racial amounts to a full 2.5% on my character, not 0.8%.

I did the racial comparison with same weapon (489 ilvl) different races, and the weapon comparison is same race different weapons (483 vs 489).

And void elf isn’t actually the worst race, so my point is that choosing an appealing-but-poor-passive race can actually be on par or worse than permanently using a weapon one tier lower.

Naturally that will vary from class to class - that’s a 483 BM hunter, so the crit damage passives are quite significant for the spec.

Oh I understand, you are just using a bad comparison because the racial/weapon upgrade is within one 1% of each other.

It would have just been easier to say ā€œOn a BM hunter, void elf racial gives a 2.5% DPS increase over dwarfs due to their racials and I think that’s pretty significant.ā€

It should also be noted that the 2.5% is based on a SIM (most likely patchwork) were you are able to do your full rotation everytime the void elf racial procs. Realistically, it isn’t going to work out that way…and as you mentioned earlier, bad play will also have a big impact

Stoneform is too good

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can we just get rid of racials already and make them cosmetic, I’m pretty sure humans and nelves are the top for pvp right now because of this lol

let people play what race they want to without giving them an edge over others

Nerf Make Camp if my Alliance main loses Shadowmeld.

This one must have rabies.

Dear Blizzard,

Please nerf the everloving hell out of Stoneform so that I can get out of this dwarf robot.

Thanks

How are you ā€œpretty sureā€ of this? Was there numerous surveys done to come to this conclusion? These racials add a little bit extra, and don’t influence as much as gear does.

Human racial, every man for themselves, nelves, shadowmeld.

Meanwhile, for PvE, it’s Dwarf/Night Elf for M+, and for Mythic raiding it’s Dwarves up and down the dial.

That’s a list of racial abilities, however, you’ve forgot to explain where you’ve gotten the data to formulate that most people pick those races only for their abilities. You probably want Demon Hunters to lose their double jump glide ability too

I’m sure the sudden massive uptick in people race-changing to Dwarf, and Blizzard’s decision to make Mythic raid bosses mechanics just removable with Stoneform, are completely unrelated.

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