it was never possible to fully recreate the classic experience. it was only possible to facilitate its propagation through creating the perfect environment for it to happen again.
Yup, and this is why I really do love Classic. Some criticize it for being too simple and some say its too hard but honestly when you look at it objectively there are things that could be better but overall the game is just so well laid out (to a point).
I love the gear progression all the way into AQ, but really the Naxx loot (opinion only) is a bit too far, but hey its not enough to really matter because its the final tier. That is on the short list of things that I feel Blizzard could have done better.
As for retail, yeah its just way too RNG for me, and I think you are agreement here on it, RNG in it self is ok, but the level they have taken that too in retail to make up for its shortcomings is just unacceptable. Its like, because they have made the characters soooo strong to negate the more challenging content (because thatâs what it does) they in turn had to make things grindy to make up for that failure mode. And all that to support a zillion different levels of difficulty, and while I dont think there is anything wrong with different levels of difficulty, itâs how they have gone about doing it that creates the problem.
Also another thing I dislike about retail is that the game play it self, talking about the characters just feels⌠mushy, and soft, and delayed some how even though its got the better system without the vanilla batching, it just feels, bad.
I donât know when for sure that they changed bATcHinG, and I have read and heard and seen many many different takes on things of when things were changed, and some have even said as soon as TBC they changed things becuase of hacking and issues the game had because of âVanillaâ batching, so maybe batching actually went away mostly in TBC? Others have said it was Wrath, some said Cata, some said WoD, and others Legion⌠Everyone has claimed different things and linked me blue posts and honestly I dont really care, batching needs to go, but what I was getting too here was Can you imagine how crisp Classic would be without Batching?
Also regarding retail, you brought up the Azuite gear style sytems, I lump these all into the Legion Artifact Grind, because thatâs what it is⌠I am fearful that this style system under different disguises will never leave retail and will forever be a cancer like mission tables and followers that haunt us to some degree to this day.
No you-know-whats given for retail since MoP - the last time pvp was fun for me in retail. WoD still (barely) had a little something left in it before Legion killed it for but to me anything left that resembled the WoW feeling went out the window with Ashran - which was just another go pvp dragon guy failure.
As far as retail pvp and classic pvp, retail is what it is: a wanna be esport. I enjoyed the amount of counterplay and abilities in MoP and what not but what classic has that retail doesnt is role playing - filling a very specific niche in a bg or wpvp situation for your allies.
Retail has this to some degree but its so watered down its barely qualifies as such anymore.
Holy hell look who it is.
How r u charax long time no see
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Usually the ones historically complained are the ones who go
in PVP with green gear. They do nto spend the time to gear up in pvp armor
Hey Degno⌠I am doing well. Spending most of my time in low level BGâs just like I did back in the day. Having a great time!
Will probably check on SL on ED at some point.
git gud scrub
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25 days later and youâre telling me to git gud at a game that doesnât require being good to hit the top rank of pvp, classic brain is real.
If it doesnât require being good why havenât you hit the top rank?
Agreed.
All the great things about WOW, all the money they must have spent designing great content, but PVP is just a mess. How could they get it SO wrong?
why? Pug vs premade.
being farmed by a bunch of sweaty neck beards is zero fun, and so NOT the classic experience.
PUG vs PUG is fun, even if you lose.
Why are u necroing a thread for 1 month ago lol
Cause I moved on to Shadowlands after rank 11. WoW classic pvp is omegalul, wait for BC at least.
I like how he makes it sound easy to get r14⌠lol esp with whatâs the problems faced.
Thatâs a people problem. Not a system problem. Donât like premade vs pug? Create a premade yourself. Premades quit after falling behind? People problem.
Itâs 100% a people âproblemâ.
And (not responding so much to you now Xanthak) in general who knows why this thread was bumped.
Again I thought the PVP in Classic was great. World PVP and otherwise. The ranking was unique to Classic.
This thread mostly has just a lot of people that like complaining about things and enjoy calling what they donât like âbadâ as thatâs the only way they are mentally capable of reacting. Thatâs it.
âmake a premade yourselfâ
Youâre gonna have to do better than that.
Premades are fine - if the PVPârs on a a PVE server - (heres a hintâŚtheyâre not).
Canât make a premade if I can only muster 5 or 6 players.
I donât especially want to make premades - Iâve been in plenty and theyâre not huge fun. All they are is efficient.
PUG is PUG is 10x more fun.
and its a fundamental system problem when the only way to reach rank 14 is too have server padding, play 20 hours a day, for a month.
Thats as its as broken as it gets.
World PvP consists of /wave if they donât think they can win, or ganking and spitting on you when they can. Group or not.
I was in the Westfall (PVE server) PVP discord since they were doing some AV premade thing. They seemed to have a pretty large and organized PVP scene. They had these PVP premade tiers with requirements. Pagle (PVE server) had a ton of premades too. So no, itâs not a PVP server only thing.
I find pug vs pug games boring and unmemorable for the most part. They are also FULL of toxic, nasty people. I pugged about half of my BG played time. I remember a handful of good games. However, many more of the memories relate to people who were just flat-out mean when losing, to the point where some were chat banned and stuff over it.
I really liked premade vs premade games where everyone tried. Yeah you can kind of get that now with RBGs in retail but there are a ton of changes with classes and everything else.
Everyone is allowed to have different opinions of course, and thatâs fine if you like pug vs pug games, but no I donât find playing with cross-server strangers and having a large percentage of them be toxic people who are only pugging because they are anti-social to be fun in the slightest.
Itâs a pretty good time for pug vs pug games right now in Classic if youâre into that. The premade scene is mostly done now.
Not many people will be playing Classic (Vanilla) after this, and everyone can get back to their small space death matches and (boring imo) pug BGs.
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I do 19 and 29 and i get a lot of twinks owning me 
My deepest condolences, although Fire mage is rather amusing all be it insanely overtuned and 1000% idiot proof.