PVP is getting worse:

[Raidzero-sargeras]

I am sure blizz doesn’t want one faction dominating PVP. They see there is a problem and its why they give the honor bonus but in BFA honor is pretty much useless… If you want to get more Ally to PVP, give a better incentive.

Blizzard went on record and said BG W/L rate was “shockingly even”.

He was talking about Rateds… He was not talking randoms.
Rateds can be ally v ally and vice versa. It is NOT EVEN CLOSE to 50/50 on randoms.

[Felshout-mannoroth (Felshout)]

they should just merge the factions, too bad they wont because of bfa lore, which is bad anyway

[Zoidy-spirestone]

They are. Almost all alliance racials are better for pvp in bfa. More people are horde because the community is already there and pve guilds are mostly horde.

If anything they should make your racials better for pve.

[Floyln-tichondrius (Floyln)]

He was talking about Rateds… He was not talking randoms.
Rateds can be ally v ally and vice versa. It is NOT EVEN CLOSE to 50/50 on randoms.

You’re wrong.

https:// www. forbes. com/ sites/ hnewman/ 2018/11/07/ blizzard-working-to-balance-warcrafts-alliance-and-horde-players-in-war-mode-raiding/#3a89872a3c18

For example, overall win rates in random battlegrounds are “shockingly even,” he said. The Isle of Conquest and Alterac Valley battlegrounds tend to favor Alliance “a bit” and everything else skews mildly to the Horde, with a win rate of 54%-46%, he said. Rated battlegrounds, which can queue teams of Alliance vs. Alliance or Horde vs. Horde, aren’t included in those calculations.

[Afks-dunemaul (Afks)]

You need to cap and defend Snow Fall gy.

[Talbyy-tichondrius (Talbyy)]

@Floyln-tichondrius

You’re wrong.

https:// www. forbes. com/ sites/ hnewman/ 2018/11/07/ blizzard-working-to-balance-warcrafts-alliance-and-horde-players-in-war-mode-raiding/#3a89872a3c18

For example, overall win rates in random battlegrounds are “shockingly even,” he said. The Isle of Conquest and Alterac Valley battlegrounds tend to favor Alliance “a bit” and everything else skews mildly to the Horde, with a win rate of 54%-46%, he said. Rated battlegrounds, which can queue teams of Alliance vs. Alliance or Horde vs. Horde, aren’t included in those calculations.

> “I think global faction balance is in a pretty fine place,” Hazzikostas said. "There are two problems that we’re looking for solutions to. War Mode and participation in War Mode is one thing where I think we’ve actually made some technical improvements to improve shard balancing in practice in [the Battle for Azeroth expansion].

I had hoped to see more changes to War mode on the surface rather than just back end improvements. The changes made to sharding , which still isn’t perfect, help diminish the effect of the various limitations and they’re very important but the biggest challenge is getting people to engage.

We really need to bring back the world quest paragon cache for mounts. WQs are the biggest points of interest for wPvP and if they just tied that into paragon reputation I think that would really help. Of course this also means that the technology used to make the sides “even” would need to work really well. I don’t know what I can/can’t share so I’ll just say that when we go to Najatar in 8.2 that would be an excellent opportunity to try something like this without worrying about zones tied into each factions “capital” for that expansion content.

I want to see War Mode do well in BFA and I want to see it carried over successfully throughout the future of WoW.

Maybe it doesn’t have to be the paragon cache, I’m partial to that because it’s something that allows the content to be replayed while remaining an incentive, but either way I want to see some changes on the surface.

Sorry to derail from the Battleground topic

@Felshout-mannoroth

they should just merge the factions, too bad they wont because of bfa lore, which is bad anyway

I’m sure something could be done to fight for the factions represented in the battleground rather than Horde vs Alliance

[Erelir-bleeding-hollow (Erelir)]

Its no secret or my opinion that Horde dominates PVP. They already acknowledged such in their casts…

Its not 50/50. There is a link that shows Horde dominance since 2016 and its getting worse.

Do you care to share with us where you’re getting your information?

[Thanastasia-lightnings-blade]

All of that and yet you main, as well as identify as horde.
Go figure.

[Kitanana-sargeras (Kitanana)]

Its been 50/50 ish for me today on both my priest and hunter so far . Cant win them all it happens yo

[Daqbet-kelthuzad]

I cant insert the link but if you go to: wow-stats.c o m, then at the top go to “Battleground Win Ratio” you’ll find an up to date chart.

[Daqbet-kelthuzad]

Battleground Win Ratio History can be found here:

wow-stats.c o m / bgwr01.html (just remove the spaces)

Looks quite obvious to me that sometime shortly after the BFA expansion, Alliance was making a comeback in the RBGs and apparently Blizz got panicky and flipped a switch at HQ. Battle grounds were starting to be enjoyable again. Wins weren’t guaranteed but neither was a loss. Now it’s just awful and been that way for the past few month as clearly shown on the graph. Most curious to me is the drastic turn from Alliance wins to quick losses. One can almost pick the date sometime in late September early October.

And I don’t buy that “well Horde are just better players” crap. Plenty of us roll both HnA and know better

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

And I don’t buy that “well Horde are just better players” crap. Plenty of us roll both HnA and know better

So what is it then?

[Afks-dunemaul (Afks)]

Usually the team with the best transmog will win.

[Scyion-shadowsong (Scyion)]

This is just my guess so take it with a grain of salt if you will, but PvPers are back to PvPing.

Imo, early Sept-ish everyone was leveling at the time. Fresh expansion and there’s lots of new stuff to try out. Rep gains, war campaign quest lines, figuring out mains, etc

Fast forward to late Sept-present and all that’s basically done now. Ppl have figure out their mains and we are now past the “leveling” honeymoon portion and into the meat of the expansion.

My 2c

[Darkwaver-lightninghoof (Darkwaver)]

In my experience, yes it’s just mine, Ally can’t win a dang thing. Just got out of some epics here at 4 AM. 0 for 4, my horde pally is 112 and rising, I want to queue with ION!!!

[Talbyy-tichondrius (Talbyy)]

Yeah, I left my alliance guild to faction change in order to join a mythic guild. Did you not read anything I wrote?

[Raidzero-sargeras]

Its not 50/50. There is a link that shows Horde dominance since 2016 and its getting worse. The people that tell you its 50/50 either play horde and don’t want anything to change or young alliance players who think it reflects on them if they admit getting run over most of the time in BGs.

I don’t agree with that. I play Horde & Alliance and my own win rate isn’t any better or worse for being on either faction outside of the large scale ones. That personal experience has a lot to do with the fact that I premade more than I solo play with normally one , or two, other friends at least if not a full party which I think has the biggest impact on my opinion on the W/L of each faction.

Horde being the more populated faction also increases the likelihood that as a solo player your going to run into premade groups and, really, that is why people are horde. The alliance PvE scene is struggling to recruit for Mythic raiding which many PvP’ers are doing. The player pool for M+ is also a little underwhelming (on both sides mainly because premade / io groups will dominate there). Warmode experience is also more often a poor one than a rewarding one for the Alliance. A higher population also increases the playerpool for different arena comps, rbgs, etc. If you want to play the game “go horde” sends a stronger message right now.

The W/L is probably closer than we think it is. Nobody is arguing that it’s 50/50 but it’s very unlikely that it’s outrageously one sided.

As a side note: I personally think Alliance racials are better.

Here you go…

worldofwargraphs - wont let me link but follow this

73% of your best PVPers are Horde. THAT is more shocking than anything.
Also, Horde owns 56% of all 120’s compared to 43%

Right now in randoms for the last 2 days my randoms are alliance 4-21. On Horde its 12-2
It is in no way 50/50.

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

And last night I went 4-4. I’m not including epic Bgs.

[Raidzero-sargeras]

73% of all the top PVPers are horde. That is 3 of every 4 top players are horde. Do you not realize how shockingly un balanced that is? My question is why?

Is it racials?
Is it they think Horde is cooler?

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

Who knows. EU prefers Alliance.