PvP is dead/Alliance are Dying

Why, because a race that makes up about 1% of the Alliance player base is OP? Sorry but if their racial ability was any where near as good as you Horde love to whine about, there would have been a population explosion of DI as Alliance race changed to them long ago.

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More fuel to my theory that if the next expansion doesn’t have unification it will allow mixed raids and pvp groups (not mercenary mode), and maybe even mixed guilds.

Its a nice suggestions but allot of of us like the Factions and the pvp, its the unbalanced systems the devs have allowed to remain in place that kills the competitiveness and sets this false narrative that the devs hide behind that Alliance dont want to pvp or the Alliance sucks at pvp. Also giving welfare armor to the Alliance for a few weeks don’t solve the problem .

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Seeing someone putting a fraction of the effort those raiders put but yet having a comparable ilvl is rather unsettling and can lead to insanity.

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All we will see is Zandalins and Troll Druids for weeks, not complaining as I’ll be one of them :slight_smile:

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DID does have the best racial on the alliance side and the fact that so few play them and the vast majority continue to play humans makes it clear that the vast majority of the player base does not care about racials at all and just choose the toon which looks pleasing to them .

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OP doesn’t take into account that Alliance dominates warmode on all shard types. Especially RP shards.

Main reason Horde has so many people dominating in raid progression is because of racials. Several of the top Horde raiding guild swapped to Alliance in order to get AOO loot before switching back for racials again.

Faction conflict can be maintained in PvP while also integrating Horde and Alliance. One example would be to introduce 2 new factions that your character can join in the next expansion, similar to Aldor & Scryer. Horde or Alliance can be a part of either. All PvP for characters level 121-130 will be queued by that faction instead of by Horde vs Alliance.

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Very Interesting!

The funny thing here is that I have. I made a post illustrating the differences some time last year, and I didnt cherrypick two races and act as it is a representation of the whole faction. Here is the full list.

The alliance have far more passive bonuses. Racials such as the troll berserk may have a higher buff, but it drops to 0% for 3 minute intervals where as the haste buff to humans and night elves doesnt.
Then you have racials such as troll health regen and undead leech that barely make a noticeable difference. Especially in high end content where that degree of regeneration is the equivalent of 1 or 2 auto attacks at best.

I didnt play when Horde racials were supposedly so powerful that all the good players switched. But trying to claim that the Horde racials as they currently sit are OP, especially to the degree that they could break the game is completely laughable.

if you notice even with your own example there are more skills that enhance pvp on horde side then the alliance side plus your not counting the class abilities. Also your using gear stats which you have access to also. Please don’t throw a bunch numbers up and try to say they are racial. So you are cherry picking to make the numbers fit your point and not the raw skills.

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Yet almost half of the horde players are generic yellow humans like you.

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How would horde become outnumbered exactly, when they outnumber alliance in all endgame content as is?

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True but to be fair I’m willing to bet a good number of them are ironically playing them as I choose belf specifically for posting on the forums.

My main has been Tauren since I first started playing but now I’m thinking of changing to zandalari.

lol @ effort.

I loved the part where we sieged boralis.

Fair you choose it to post in the forums, but we both can agree that the “fantasy” you wanted to sell is not really there in a yellow human race a race that is the most played in the game.

At level 120 Belfs are 20.4% of the total population, means 1 of every 5 characters at max level is a generic non fantasy yellow human.

So i again i feel to see your point of horde bringing in more players because alliance is a “generic boring fantasy group”.

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There is 1 more CD that enhances PvP. And that is active abilities, not passives. You cant just exclude passives because they dont support your point. I’m also not counting class abilities because any class abilities on horde side is also on alliance side so its irrelevant. And I’m not listing gear stats. You are picking and choosing the kind of racials you want to consider because with passives added in, your argument holds no water.

It doesn’t matter if they are OP now or balanced. The damage has already been done. The majority of the endgame player base switched horde. That means others will continue to go horde because there’s a bigger pool of endgame players to find groups with. The snowball is still rolling.

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Ive been playing other games. I think a lot of people are.

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