PvP is dead/Alliance are Dying

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Alliance are dying, PvP is dead. Now for the numbers for those of you that think i’m over exaggerating. GG Blizzard. Not a very constructive post, But something needs to be done.

Players & Duelist 3’s WORLD = 1769
Players & Duelist RBG’s WORLD = 185
(PvP numbers are from today)

All faction imbalance numbers are from 3 weeks ago, CBF finding the new ones. If you want to see it for yourself go to Arenamate/WoWlogs.

3v3 Arena 2k+ CR Players_______( 22.5% Alliance )
RBG’s 2k + CR Players___________( 22.7% Alliance )
TOP 100 Guilds__________________( 22% Alliance )

LESS THAN 100% = BAD. FOR A 50/50 SPLIT ALLIANCE NEED 100%

  • MYTHIC KILLS PER GUILD -
    -9/9 Kills_0 Alliance/1 Horde______( 0% Alliance)
    -8/9 Kills_1 Alliance/12 Horde_____( 8.3% Alliance)
    -7/9 Kills_2 Alliance/13 Horde_____( 15.3% Alliance)
    -6/9 Kills_11 Alliance/29 Horde____( 37.9% Alliance)
    -5/9 Kills_14 Alliance/42 Horde____( 33.3% Alliance)
    -4/9 Kills_17 Alliance/54 Horde____( 31.4% Alliance)
    -3/9 Kills_65 Alliance/164 Horde___( 39.6% Alliance)
    -2/9 Kills_65 Alliance/77 Horde____( 84.4% Alliance)
    -1/9 Kills_349 Alliance/577 Horde_( 60.4% Alliance)

  • HEROIC KILLS PER GUILD -
    -9/9_170 Alliance/420 Horde_( 40.4% Alliance)
    -8/9_86 Alliance/182 Horde__( 47.2% Alliance)
    -7/9_64 Alliance/110 Horde__( 58.1% Alliance)
    -6/9_170 Alliance/238 Horde_( 71.4% Alliance)
    -5/9_125 Alliance/150 Horde_( 83.3% Alliance)
    -4/9_360 Alliance/439 Horde_( 82% Alliance)
    -3/9_171 Alliance/242 Horde_( 70% Alliance)
    -2/9_179 Alliance/231 Horde_( 70% Alliance)
    -1/9_385 Alliance/353 Horde_( 109% Alliance)

Alliance lose 10% Raid participation with each new raid

Antorus, The Burning Throne
-11/11 Mythic = ( 45.4% Alliance )
-11/11 Normal = ( 83.9% Alliance )
-11/11 Heroic = ( 75.3% Alliance )

Uldir
-8/8 Mythic = ( 37.1% Alliance ) __8.3% Less Alliance
-8/8 Normal = ( 70.1% Alliance )__13.8% Less Alliance
-8/8 Heroic = ( 65.4% Alliance )__9.9% Less Alliance

Battle of Dazar’alor
9/9 Normal = ( 62.2% Alliance )__7.9% Less Alliance
9/9 Heroic = ( 40.8% Alliance )__24.6% Less Alliance

This is not just the top 0.1%… Alliance are dying. Normal/Heroic/Mythic, Just look at the numbers.

Give it 6-12 months an you’ll be unable to raid or PvP as an alliance player.

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The sky is falling and the OP provided zero shelter :sob:

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So what you are trying to convince people of- is that Alliance personally chose NOT to participate and that is evidence of “imbalance”?

That’s…Not how that works.

Why don’t we just freely give them titles, hand them gear and give them achievements- for doing absolutely nothing at all. That’s basically what you are proposing. There is only imbalance if you actually DO something.

That’s like measuring employment with unemployment and claiming “there’s an imbalance in the work force”.

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So about those Horde racials…:crazy_face:

TBH the only thing that’s actually proven to get alliance participation is bribery (against overwhelming odds). But that’s not a bad thing. Bribery is the grease that makes WoW playable for both factions. So there really is no reason not to e.g. make all alliance racials at least twice as good as any horde plus give them free 400/415 ilvl gear. Its just balancing now.

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Just wait until next Tuesday- after the Zandalari become playable, there shall only be a Horde faction! MWA HA HA HA!

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Reaaaaaally shouldn’t post this from a Dark Iron character.

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Blame Blizzard for overbuffing horde racials and making them too good that it makes raid, PVP, PVE, and everything in between a joke for horde but hard for alliance.

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Nothing can be done. If no one wants to group up and do end game content whether it’s pve or pvp on Alliance, then Blizzard can’t force it. Just gotta live with the fact that most end game players will be Horde and that Alliance will be the faction known for super casuals/beginning players, especially considering overall population different between both factions are equal. If you start switching Horde players over to Alliance then Horde will become outnumbered. So it’s a lose-lose situation no matter what happens.

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That’s exactly my point though. In fact they should give DID a racial that allows stunning all nearby horde in a 20yard radius for 30sec on a 1min CD or something too. Just go nuts. At this point, there’s no need to obfuscate the crazy. Do whatever it takes to get more alliance peeps. Otherwise what? 1 year from now have 3 hour horde queue times? Lesser of two evils really.

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Or they just expand the mercenary system they’ve already built into the game. Dunno. Solutions may vary.

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Couple of things.

  1. He didn’t really propose anything, just kind of stated what many have been saying for years, which is most hardcore players have drifted to horde side due to racials and now due to an overwhelming presence on horde side.

  2. He definitely wasn’t suggesting give alliance players something for nothing. Just give players a reason to swap to alliance so the balance can be returned somewhat…

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I stopped PvP when tanks were given that 50% increased damage taken debuff passive to instanced PvP like Arena and Battlegrounds. I like playing tanks and healers, but when they decided my play style was a problem, the best option was to just stop playing it entirely.

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I love how alliance players blame horde racials and not the fact the alliance as a faction is just your generic boring fantasy group. The horde offers a unique group of races and story that you don’t find in many other games hence why more people enjoy playing it

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I can’t confirm but I believe I heard once that Blizzard will be removing factions in the future which could very well be when BFA ends or when the next expansion ends, either way that’s just what I’ve heard.

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Says the blood elf. LOL

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Well it’s not making excuses when top players have literally cited for years their reasons for going horde was “better racials that gave them an advantage” which led to others following suit.

All the good players didn’t magically choose horde when they first started playing. Something made them slowly drift to horde side which led to the imbalance we have now…

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Maybe they’ll give you PVP rewards to balance a PVE problem this time!

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Except, this is purely your opinion, and is otherwise a total load of crap. The alliance is awesome. We have better NPCs, more in-story character building, far better cities, better looking races, better looking armor, and more horses (way more horses).

…that last one might be a bit sarcastic.

Yeah. You heard that from people who don’t work at blizzard, and who want an even more generic fantasy game experience.

Honestly, if they get rid of factions, I’m done.

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If they get rid of factions, Warcraft is done.

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Salty about our one or two good racials? Still don’t reach Horde levels =P

Hell, they even got nerfed more than hordes.

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