Pvp in retail is lonelier than ever

lfg a wasteland
new players quit in record time
shadowland s2 and bfa glads can’t even hit 2k these days
people rage quit after 2 games even if you are carrying them (fresh accounts with a 1750 achieve and only 1 active toon)
doesn’t even matter if you heal or dps good luck finding anyone that can even break 2k in solo much less high 2s or 3s xp
last few players left afk in shuffle que and half of them don’t speak english

rated bg blitz might get a few more healers trying to get carried by a duo because they click their frames and can’t do arena but it won’t be enough. The super fast mount speed will just make some kind of lame tag/cc/split meta with people afking or alt f4ing every other round.

Then classic wow has the polar opposite problem where they refuse to even put a rated mode in so nobody even plays it. On a full server at prime time on classic there’s 1-2 groups at a time forming.

I dunno bros. Honestly hard to find motivation to log in. I could just go afk and come back for easy legend end of season but for what? The game is void of activity and anti social as ever. But there’s just nothing else to play. How are people still playing the same mobas 15 years later. All these years of literally nothing on the market to play thats pvp but also not a FPS or moba. Pve isn’t even good in wow anyone who does m+ is giga coping. Idk bros.

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Most days I log in just to queue 3s. I find that enjoyable but believe more can be done for pvp. We really need a dev interview with them explaining their plans for pvp going forward.
However it should be more than these two points.

  1. We are working on solutions to bring down queue times (give us something way more concrete).

  2. We want to see how BGB plays out. (You have endless amounts of forum and reddit posts talking about the issues with pvp).

There is a ton of other great games. You just have to break that wow mmo addiction. Last week was the last il be logging in till probably TWW, if that. Fun to cruise forums though until sub runs out. Seeing more and more of these threads is amusing.

Because they were never gladiators to begin with. MMR was so inflated rating was free

You guys are far worse than you realize stop crying

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Your Insignia was Yummy !

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I was casual in shadowlands because it was my first xpac back and gearing sucked so I didn’t put in much time. I basically only did 2s the first 2 seasons then quit until solo shuff came out. My point of that was that I don’t have anyone to play with when those guys can’t even hit 2k in DF and they STILL either rage quit after 2 games or are just nowhere to be found in lfg. If i can finish top 20 on a competitive spec in solo shuffle end of season but I can’t even find duelists to play with for 2s/3s because lfg is either dead or people refuse to que if they aren’t getting hard carried the game is just giga dead is the ultimate point. I mean there’s literally like 10 groups max on a weekend night when there’s millions of active subs. 3v3 isn’t even that fun or social either, but rbgs are equally dead and boring.

yeah it will be equally dead unless it gives some pve benefit and if there’s anything we have learned it’s that if there’s no pve reward from pvp then it’s DOA

there really isn’t though. Every new game has been single player or a massive failure (cough d4)

The sad reality is that this was all avoidable IMO. It’s not like overnight one day wow PvP participation cratered and everyone was like “what happened???” The same people saying the same things and pleading for Blizz to give a F for multiple expacs just falling on deaf ears. That’s the sad reality. It’s NOT blizzard’s ineptitude, it’s that they
Just
Do
Not
Care.

Still gonna play and be a low ranked casual because I’ve been playing since 2005. Still gonna be hyped for TWW. It just is what it is.

Minecraft factions pvp goes hard in the paint. Feels like I’m playing an mmo when I’m on this.

Dota 2 is the most fun game. If wow servers shut down I’d just play this. It’s a moba but it’s just so much more superior to every other moba and it isn’t close.

And there’s also 0 time gladiators at 2.1k cr

Take one week break u will be ok.

It worked for many in the past but I dont know if that will fly now. Considering pvp now is mostly sweaty players who play wow as a full time job to pay the rent, I think they will be working on filling orders until the last day of the season. It might not get easier this time around.

Seems like many are quitting till the last month of the season, so either way that last month will be crazy, or at least it will be more active and fun.

True, but I have faith thats all about to change. Now that CEO Bobby is out, left the company with his billions, all he cared about was making the shareholders happy. Microsoft is now in charge, and tons of changes are coming. Hopefully for the better!

A TON of money is leaving the game to 3rd party RMT sales, I dont think Microsoft is going to allow that much longer, companies do not like losing out on money lol.

Example, A recent Asmongold video showed one R1 player confessing to making over 100k during an expansion selling carries. That was just one guy, on ever server of wow over 200+ is Advertisements 24 hours a day selling pvp rewards, they would not be doing it if it was not profitable.

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Tbh prob horrible lol. Why do they need to make some dumb sub gamemode just to get rating as a solo player. Why not just make 3s a solo category while keeping original 3s. Like for bgb why not just make rbgs solo que while keeping rbgs. Its going to have dumb game mechanics that noone will like and 100% will complain about

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I enjoyed smite before it became abandonware. I never liked overhead click to move (only d2 being the exception). I wish there was a grand strategy game with popular multiplayer but paradox games are the only publisher of that genre and their multiplayer features are always bare minimum and dead idk. Anyway, I’m glad you aren’t salty about that thread I made I was just kidding around but also serious because he greifed my alts 4 am lobby (even though I grief myself every day playing 110% blasted wake and bake). You are a real cutie pie and I’ll tickle your feet if I get the chance.

Yeah that’s part of what makes it so anti-social. I was hoping I could chill out on SoD for the social aspect of the game but it’s actually just a joke right now and not worth playing at all. I was hoping for an ascension type server and at least the devs be open to rated bgs or something for endgame.

idk bro this problem exists in other huge games too and nothing ever happens. Online games are just full of cheaters and either nothing can be done about it or nobody cares enough to do anything about it.

Nah that’s lame. Solo q’rs would just be way lower rated and nobody would que up as 9/10 needing a solo q’er to fill. It would just be solo q’rs vs premades at that point makes no sense.

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But that’s what solo shuffle is supposed to be. I get what you’re saying about making single 3’s matches but there’s more that goes in to that. Like trying to avoid a lobby with double classes.

I have this feeling that if Retapocalypses rolled out again you would be saying how AMAZING pvp is

wym avoid double classes? There’s double dh and double ww comps in 2k+ 3s games right now

I didn’t play ret during that patch and i don’t main or even play ret now.

the whole game just feels so quiet compared to early Dragonflight :frowning_with_open_mouth:

they can literally do that with solo 3s ques like with solo shuffle

Because WoW pvp has serious integrity issues, ALL pvp rewards have been monetized and are for sale in trade chat.

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all jokes aside I was also curious how quiet so in SL you had like 55,000 games played vs now 5500 games played ( rounded) per hour, Thats a HUGE hit in participation.

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yeah, i quit all arena in my personal boycott. i still do rated bg’s, but some weeks i don’t want to do rated bg’s, so i miss my vault. i’m willing to miss my vault to not have to deal with arena (specifically solo shuffle).

loved SS when i returned, but it turned sour; both in player toxicity and blizzard’s inability to manage anything regarding pvp.

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