PvP Discussion: Phase 6 - How to Balance the Game around BGs, not classes

there was alot of work to make shaman of all specs viable and able to fill their chosen role. especially tank shaman.

they did good work mostly but have nerfed them quite a bit too , maybe too much in the case of pure enh shaman who is one of the worst pvp specs in the game right now.

anyways it takes alot to fully get a tank class /spec to be able to tank most of the content in the game and they couldnt just make the shaman have 2000 runes just for 1 spec and new role then also have like a bunch of others to switch in and out.

I donā€™t exactly know if I buy that. Shaman was one of the strongest default classes. Pallies barely had an attack, so that makes sense why they needed filling out.

This I could see, but I feel like tank bonuses bled over into the other specs a bit more than Iā€™m fond of, at least it appears that way. I donā€™t have a sham so I donā€™t know for sure.

I could see enhance struggling a bit, but once they have those tank runes swapped on it feels like a fruitless endeavor to even open on em.

Wish it felt like they put that kind of work in with rogue tanks. Felt like they were very aware that a tank rogue mixed with a damage rogue would be devastating in PvP, so they handcuffed a lot of the aspects to only work with pve runes, and made some of the design for it just absolutely terrible so it wouldnā€™t be viable in pvp. Didnā€™t look like tank shams got those kind of restrictions.

Your hate towards Elemental Shamans is causing your PTSD to flair up. You have no objective understanding how great it was for Shamans to have FS and RT going to proc instant cast Lava Burst. Now it is just FS. They were nerfed to the point they cannot deal damage. Get over it. Boomies are worst today than at any time when Elemental Shamans were good. They had a 3 min kill time, Boomies have a 1.5 min kill time. You cannot win a BG if the other team has more boomies than you. But you can win a game if you have more ret paladins than Elemental Shamans.

Bros forgetting the last 4 phases of BGs where shamans have been running rampant. Boomies are no where near as bad as those last phases, because alliance can actually get boomies.

Horde are still winning at a decent rate, youre just used to a 99% win rate. Bgs have felt the best they have all of sod after shamans receiving some adjustments.

My Rogue was grinding to get to Rank 11. He had zero wins in 2 days. I average 2 games an hour between que times. I did that for 5 hours a day so that is 20 games and 0 wins. Half of them were vs premades as I just solo que.

It is not a fun time. AB 100% favors Alliance because Paladins can Bubble protect flags. WSG would be the go to BG if they had a timer added to it. That is why no one does WSG as it can be long games as it is 3 cap to win no matter what and has no timer.

So no, you are not right. Blizzard screwed up by removing the Premade vs Premade set up that was working all of Phases 2 and on ward. Imagine losing 20 games in a row, half of it was to a premade alliance that ran 5 paladins, 2 warriors, 3 priests, and 5 boomies.

PvP is not doing well and if they removed the nerfs to Shamans, Shamans would balance out PvP. Imagine if they nerfed Paladins like they did to Shamans? Remove bubble from BGs and suddenly AB is winnable now for PUG horde players.