PvP balance

[Teamtom-area-52]

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

I know this for a fact. I’ve played since 2004

You may have been playing since 2004, like many of us have. That still doesn’t change the fact a lot of what you are proposing is stupid and would ruin class dynamics. If you want perfectly balanced gameplay, go play retail. They have balanced the fun out of that game and you want them to do that to this game too. Unreal

[Teamtom-area-52]

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

you are bad at this game. If you need to stunlock someone to beat them, you are crap, and useless. Quit the game. I can’t stand anyone who defends it either.

I think we have found the motivation behind this post. Someone got farmed one too many times by a rogue in their last bg. Now hes going to make a scene on the forums stomping his feet and flailing his hands around. It’s ok dude the bad rogue is gone now, nothing is going to hurt my big little man again.

[Fox-thunderlord (Fox)]

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

All CCs, interrupts, and anything at all that can screw a player over needs to be removed from the game or reduced by half in PvP. For example, blind should last a maximum of 4 or 5 seconds, not 9 seconds. Fear and stuns should max last 2 or 3 seconds in PvP. Pretty all ccs and interrupts and anything similar needs to be reduced for PvP.

I can’t help but think this is biased given that you’re a class with almost no CC.

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

hey take the skill away from PvP when you need to stun or fear or interrupt or whatever.

Knowing when to stun / fear / interrupt is generally considered a very high skilled part of the game. I will grant you this iteration, where diminishing returns and ridiculously long CCs are in the game aren’t ideal, but nuking them into oblivion isn’t the solution either.

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

I always face rogues, and they are such a nonskilled class it’s pathetic. Stun lock = noob and = you are bad at this game.

Dunno, sounds like you’re the bad one.

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

If you need to stunlock someone to beat them, you are crap, and useless.

QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ Git gud.

[Fox-thunderlord (Fox)]

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

I know for a fact

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

I can’t

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

PvP in this game

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

at all

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

I can hardly get any heals off

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

because

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

I’m just

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

dog$%$%

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

I know for a fact that

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

people

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

agree with me on this.

I figured out what he’s been trying to say all along.

[Gskherald-grobbulus]

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

PvP isn’t PvP if 1 player can’t react or play against the other player because they end up getting stunned locked or something similar. Real PvP is when BOTH players or more can actually interact and play fairly against one another.

How about nouu. I’ll have a hard cider followed by a hard nouu. 2 sec isn’t even long enough to cast most spells… Most classes have ways to avoid ccs. You are just a BUM. If you don’t know what most classes can do, and can’t react to that, then you shouldn’t be making suggestions for pvp.

@Fox-thunderlord

should you be ready with improved gouge

Why are you so hung up on imp gouge? Most rogues are not even running imp gouge since they are playing daggers. And it isn’t even a guaranteed reset either. it’s 5.5 sec duration and combat timer is 6… So unless you have los to reset you prolly won’t get a restealth off a gouge. Also can be dodge parry blocked.

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

All CCs, interrupts, and anything at all that can screw a player over needs to be removed from the game

This statement… lol. That is literally the intended purpose of those abilities. “NAH REMOVE THEM! THEY SHOULD HAVE TO MAN FIGHT ME IN FRONT OF THE BIKER BAR MONO Y MONO! WHOEVER CRITS MORE OR DOES MORE DAMAGE WINS YEEEEHAWWWWW BRETHER!” What a BUM.

[Fox-thunderlord (Fox)]

@Gskherald-grobbulus

Most rogues are not even running imp gouge since they are playing daggers.

0.o… I mean, unless you’re not going for the extra 30% crit on mutilate / backstab, you’re going to need 5 points into combat anyways.

@Gskherald-grobbulus

And it isn’t even a guaranteed reset either. it’s 5.5 sec duration and combat timer is 6

gives you time to get distance as well, but you’re right, there is that little wiggle room.

@Gskherald-grobbulus

Also can be dodge parry blocked.

Yep pretty sure i mentioned that.

@Gskherald-grobbulus

Why are you so hung up on imp gouge?

Just mentioning it because it’s a strong alternative when blind is down.

[Jonnynapalm-crusader-strike]

I’ll admit I’ve been crying for a 2 minute pvp trinket cooldown and not sure if we’ll get it sady.

[Lightbwithu-crusader-strike]

absolute savagery

[Lightbwithu-crusader-strike]

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

All CCs, interrupts, and anything at all that can screw a player over needs to be removed from the game

it’s always a cow sham with this deep fried take

[Grresh-crusader-strike]

The only thing I’d agree with is giving Polymorph, Sap, and Frost Trap a hard 10 second cap on enemy players. Everything else is fine.

Oh and 2 minute trinkets ffs.

[Trixxy-whitemane]

Just say you don’t pvp. Half of your changes are about CC which isn’t even close to being the issue with SoD pvp.

The problem is that the burst is just WAY out of control. Pretty much every class can 100-0 someone inside 2 globals, this is SLIGHTLY mitigated by PvP gear’s added stamina, and the “in BG” changes. However, there is almost 0 incentive to PvP once you’ve gotten the r13 gear, and it has (unlike normal classic) limited applications in PvE.

World PvP, what was possibly my favorite part of Vanilla / Classic, is in a horrible state, whoever opens basically wins.

Stuns are pretty much the only problamatic CC atm, but again its because damage is out of control, if you get stunned there is VERY limited counterplay and a good chance you are just dead, when people are hitting 2-7k buttons on 4k healthbars.

[Fox-thunderlord (Fox)]

Bloodfang made the killing people in stuns thing far worse. 20% extra MH damage for 4 set, and 2 set gives you an energy free attack every time you open / reset / proc ambush… Pretty silly.

[Aggrendminus-living-flame]

@Grresh-crusader-strike

Polymorph, Sap, and Frost Trap a hard 10 second cap

This would be a buff for Mages considering most sheeps break in PvP before 10 sec. But I’m sure you already knew that since you suggested this

[Jonnynapalm-crusader-strike]

2
Minute
Trinket
Cooldown
Please

[Dip-shadowstrike-au]

@Sweetcreme-crusader-strike

PvP in this game is horrible.
Let’s balance it since Blizzard doesn’t know how to do it.

All CCs, stuns, fears, interrupts, etc, need to be reduced in PvP. Keep them the same for PvE that they are currently at now.

All stuns should max last 2 seconds in PvP. Rogue stuns, after 2 seconds should reduce their damage by 3% each second after 2 seconds of a stun. ( I have a rogue and I agree to this).

Hunters mark should last only 1 minute, not 2 minutes in PvP. Hunters traps should max last 12 seconds not 24 seconds or whatever it is now.

Fear from locks, priests, and warriors should only last 3 seconds in PvP.

Silence/interrupts should last 2 seconds max in PvP.

Healers should have their cast time for heals reduced to 0.5 second cast time in PvP. I can hardly get any heals off because of the cast time, interrupts, cc and the amount of burst being thrown out there.

PvP isn’t PvP if 1 player can’t react or play against the other player because they end up getting stunned locked or something similar. Real PvP is when BOTH players or more can actually interact and play fairly against one another.

Reduce damage/crit chance in PvP by 20% in battlegrounds.

Reduce healing in PvP by 10% in battlegrounds.

If you don’t want to reduce the time on all CC/Interrupts in pvp then healers should have instant cast heals in pvp or have an aura that reduces all damage taken by 25-50% while in PvP after or during being CCed/Interrupted. If people don’t like that option for people then make the PvP trinket a 30-second cooldown, so it gives players a semi-fair chance to survive and play in PvP.

The fact I can take tons of damage while being stuck in fear or a 5-second stun is just ridiculous and ruins the gameplay for me. It simply pisses me off and makes me not want to PvP. The ways I listed above would solve these issues in PvP.

It’s not hard to balance PvP. The game has been out for over 20 years. Blizzard do your job. I already know tons of people will disagree with me on this. This just proves my point that people don’t want the game to be fair balanced or fun for everyone. It also proves people are selfish and ignorant. I know for a fact that some of these changes would solve many PvP issues.

Tell me you are new to sod PvP without telling me you are new to sod PvP

[Cornbred-crusader-strike]

Hyper balance is how you get retail slop.

No ty!

Only change I’d like is to bring pvp trinkets down to 2minutes.

[Baseg-defias-pillager]

Yes it’s horrible because “pvp” is the mini game of classic. We scale the game from pve standpoints and if that causes issues to “pvp” then so be it. People play this game for end game raiding not griefing in battlegrounds. You want pvp go do arenas in war within or cata! Hope you have a great day Sweetcreme

[Fox-thunderlord (Fox)]

@Baseg-defias-pillager

People play this game for end game raiding

Saying classic has “end game raiding” is being a bit generous. It has loot pinatas.

[Oren-wild-growth]

Says the Shaman