Just wondering what people’s thoughts are on the purpose of Dungeon/Raid finder
When dungeon finder was first added back in WOTLK and raid finder in CATA my understanding was that it was to help make higher level group content more accessible to casual players, without them having to belong to more hardcore guilds. Many casual guilds on my server more or less died out when it was added since casual guilds were perceived to be no longer as useful when casual players could just hop in group finder to do the content.
I recently returned to the game after not playing for several years (other than coming back to play wow classic for a while). Initially when I did some dungeons and raids in group finder it was a mad rush from start to finish with no discussion as if people thought they were going to get a prize for breaking some sort of speed record. You might as well be plaing with bots for all the social interaction you get. Fair enough, I just figured it was because it was late in the Shadowlands expansion and everyone had done those runs so often that they just wanted to rush through.
Then dragonflight appeared. My first dungeon finder runs I was still seeing the same thing. This was brand new content. Dungeons that most people had never set foot in before but it was still chain pull from start to finish. So clearly it was nothing to do with people having done the content a lot. It’s just become the culture in the game. The only communication being someone occasionally criticising someone (usually an oveworked healer) for not keeping up. New raid opened up in raid finder and the same thing. New content but rush straight through. Last night I joined a group for the new wing. The group I joined was on the final boss and already had 6 stacks of determiniation. A boss that had literally only been available in raid finder for 2 hours. Roughly a quarter of the group had just joined to replace people who quit. Yet the boss was being pulled as soon as everyone zoned in and a minute later people were getting yelled at for not knowing the mechanics and dying. Every other dragonflight raid I’ve done in LFR has been the same mad rush (though not always the multiple boss fails).
I’ve found that a lot of the casual people I’ve played with for years just don’t do raids or dungeons anymore. They can’t deal with the elite attitude in dungeon or raid finder and struggle to get groups (especially for raids) without it. I’ve seen a couple of instances of people in LFG getting mocked for asking a group to slow down a bit because they were new to the dungeon.
TLDR: What do people see as the purpose of dungeon/raid finder since I really don’t think it’s in any way suited to casual players, which I’d originally thought was one of its main points.
Just turn off your chat if you can’t stand your feelings being hurt by internet tryhards. It really is that easy.
As far as going too fast, maybe encourage your friends to feed their cat/do the dishes etc before queuing for a dungeon or raid so that they can keep up with the people who are there to do content.
Casual players =/= so bad at the game they can’t press w with the tank while doing dps.
Where exactly did I get my feelings hurt?
And yeah your flippant reponse toward other players pretty much confirms what I’d suspected about the current state of the wow community.
It’s not flippant at all. You can’t do anything about how people behave anonymously on the internet. But you don’t have to read it. Just turn off chat and pretend they are NPCs, that is what everyone else does.
Casual players =/= so bad at the game they can’t press w with the tank while doing dps.
Or people who would like to actually see content rather than a “blink and you’ll miss it” run. I mean like I said - I get it on old content but racing through content that is brand new. Is it really that odd that people might not want to rush it? If doing a dungeon is such a chore that you have to race through it then why bother.
Do you blink 8000 times a second? Or do you not know how to blink and just close your eyes for a while?
Again, I never said I got my feelings hurt.
The whole point was about the purpose of LFG. If all it’s being used for is racing through dungeons without any conversation at all then why bother? They might as well just add an option to run dungeons with bots as some games have done.
These dungeons are irrelevant and trivial, the only reason anyone is doing them is to get loot. Nobody enjoys them because they are little more than a glorified world quest.
If you want to enjoy group content you need to graduate past queued content. It is only there as a road block to the real end game.
The reason they bother with it is that there is a sizable group of people who simply won’t do anything except queued content. The content itself is pointless.
You’re never going to enjoy group content if you only ever do queued content. It’s just not challenging enough to be enjoyable. If you’re not playing a melee class then everything is literally dead before you finish casting your first spell.
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Its purpose is for casuals like me so that we can see content without waiting for legacy buff years later.
Oh, and gear for casuals and Mogs.
As for the social aspect… WoW was never good with that. Play ff14 if you want to be social in pugs.
These dungeons are irrelevant and trivial, the only reason anyone is doing them is to get loot. Nobody enjoys them because they are little more than a glorified world quest.
Which brings me back to my original question. What is the purpose of LFG?
Coming back to retail after playing classic made it really stand out. In classic, people actually do enjoy dungeons and take their time with them which is the way I remember it from pre group finder. LFG seems to have turned them in to precisely what you describe.
The purpose of LFG and LFR is to cater to people who treat wow as a single player game.
Some people just aren’t interested in social interaction in a video game. But they still want to see what the dungeons and raids are like. That is what LFG and LFR is for.
If you actually enjoy group content and want to find a guild or friends to play with, you can safely ignore both of these systems. They are not meant for you.
You never need to use the queue feature at all in WoW if you don’t want to. You can make a group and go to the dungeon the old fashioned way, and always have been able to. Indeed that is what most players do, trying to raise your ilvl to queue for heroics or LFR is pointless when you can form a group manually and go into the Mythic 0 /Normal raid version and get better loot faster.