Pure HPS Healers vs DR Healers(Mythic Raiding)

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:pray: Sing it brother :pray:

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Nah, not all classes have to be good at doing all content equally.

Restro Druid seems to have mythic plus all tied up - I assume Resto Shaman may be good at something - PvP maybe ?

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Hi Caraz,

I appreciate your post, however this is aimed directly at Mythic raiding balance, I understand Resto druid is extremely strong in m+ but that is not what I’m upset about this.

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True, the main issue most people point out here is that the difference between disc/hpals and the rest is massive.

You have these 2 specs at S+ tier and you have the 4 monkeys in the bottom battling it out on which spec makes it to the C tier up from D tier, you get the idea

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Make Benediction baseline for Holy Priests and replace it with Cascade. At least then Renew has a chance to be applied.

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You are talking about heals per second right ? That’s the stat that you can inflate by overhealing right ?

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Yes, though it isn’t inflated by overhealing, as you’d have to look at the actual RAW hps to see it, but that statistic doesn’t matter

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So what you are claiming there is a stat that is a true indicator of how effective/useful healers are ?

I find it odd that Ion who mythic raids on a restro shaman wouldn’t have realized he was being useless in there.

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I didn’t claim that

Not sure where you’re getting this from

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So you are saying there is no reliable way to determine how effective/useful healers are ? Is that what you are claiming. Just trying to understand how you are arriving at this need for balance since I always understood HPS was useless because how it is calculated.

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By what metric is HPS useless? Damage goes out, healers do healing to reverse said damage. If the healers don’t meet that check, then the raid dies. That’s a gross simplification, but the point stands.

What you often see is people saying ‘healer parses don’t matter’, but that’s due to how easy it is to pad/inflate parses.

What is happening here is that, without inflation, two specs are grossly outperforming the other healers in terms of damage they can reverse, while also bringing strong damage reduction cooldowns and significant damage.

Stop using that ‘so what you’re saying’ nonsense, because it should be fairly apparent to any reasonable person reading this that that is in fact not what they’re saying.

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I really don’t know what they are saying and I didn’t want to assume I did, you appear to be comfortable with assumptions but I wasn’t.

I think you are barking up the wrong tree here trying to compare HPS.

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At least my meters are showing me it worked :slight_smile:

I would rather they just change Restoration mastery to further emphasize Critical Strike, since crit helps with Resto shams mana regen. Maybe something like gain increasing chance to crit a target based on missing HP.

I do not know what Resto mains would think of that, but maybe if it was like a 5% base crit chance (5% at 20% HP, 4% at 40%, etc.) and then having very high mastery and Crit can allow very high crit ratings so Shamans can feel the extra healing more directly rather (with the added benefit of mana regen) than “% extra healing based on missing HP”. Often times I do not notice the effect of mastery, but then again I do not play Resto Shaman nearly as often as the DPS specs.

I mean, HPS is very useful to see output. Of course, only someone inexperienced with raiding will take the HPS at face value. Its important to see if healers are sniping or not to more accurately guage HPS. If I have a healer only doing 20K healing on a Mythic fight during their round of CDs, then there is clearly a problem (assuming no one is sniping).

Any tool is useless if someone does not know how to use the tool.

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I mean, what metric are we supposed to use when mistweavers and resto druids … only do HPS.

We don’t have Devo/Barrier.

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Do you really need a metric to tell you if the raid is dying ?

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Except nerfing them doesn’t suddenly make the bosses easier or the other healers more attractive. There is a reason RShaman is getting buffed. It probably still won’t compete with the top two, but it will at least be around holy/rdruid. I honestly don’t know why MW didn’t get a throughput buff alongside Shaman.

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I’d be fine with Chain Heal actually doing something outside of High Tide if they insist on it having like a 2.5 second cast time. RShaman is just a poor man’s spot healer when it isn’t brought for SLink.

Maybe it will do a bit better with the Healing Rain buff, but I doubt it since Healing Rain is basically a worse efflo since it has the cast time and cooldown so you can’t really move it that well compared to a RDruid.

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lol a thread asking for Rdruid buff wtf is this world

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I don’t get the obsession with HPS.

I think Druids bringing a BR and Innervate is probably a big +.
Roots were a real MVP on fights like Mekka.

Monks; RoP, AoE stun, Tiger’s Lust and teleports are awesome. Incredibly useful. You don’t know how much your raid members will love you for sharing that sprint.

Can’t think of an interaction this tier, but in the past Diffuse and Revival have had some pretty major positives within certain encounters.

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You’ve failed to really address anything i mentioned unfortunately.

Revival is the most garbage cooldown in the game stuck on a 3 minute CD.